Is public cloud for rise dead?

[stubs-fir0y]

The public cloud option was always positioned as kind of a “younger brother, not ready for prime time but will be leading the future” proposition within the Rise with SAP offering, but now that Grow with SAP is out, all references to public cloud have been removed, and the page outright saying that businesses that need private cloud get rise, and public cloud should go for grow. But there’s other connotations to rise and grow (ie rise is for larger existing base customers with complex needs, grow is for l smaller scale, growing organisations, etc) and there’s less bundling of other services with grow. So this leaves some confusion as to whether or not rise with public cloud is still sold/supported. And if not, what happens to those that have already risen with public cloud? Will they be forcibly moved to grow once their contract ends? Is SAP shifting the positioning of public cloud to occupy more of a role like ByD, for smaller to mid sized industries not ready for the investment or maintenance of a full ECC or S/4 system, and private cloud is taking over the flagship role for new innovations, features and scopes? Would be a real shame if customers that were sold on the cutting edge platform, first to get new features, torch bearer of the future of ERP but that perhaps isn’t quite ready for the limelight of mass adoption by all businesses with existing investments, now get something that is essentially going to be a ByD replacement. We’ve already seen the release cycle go from quarterly to now semi-annually.

[ThomasStumpp]

I understand Nick, you got a point. Until your post, I didn't know about the change in release frequency.

We're a full capability manufacturing business who are primarily interested in S4 private cloud edition, which as you described, is shoehorned into a quasi-SaaS via RISE subscription offers.

I never understood why the native (or Public Cloud) application was offered under RISE as it is naturally SaaS. So Grow with SAP is probably the right re-branding.

I'm still interested in the Public Cloud SaaS product for our smaller subsidiaries (like 2-tier ERP) and like to understand how close functional parity has come.

[stubs-fir0y]

I guess we’re in the same or similar boat. I just wish they would commit to their branding instead of changing their names every couple months. Makes information online very unreliable. I was happy when they announced grow assuming it would clear up the confusion, but it’s now just more jargon to the flame.

I believe the release frequency change means that features are delivered monthly to public cloud, but are off by default until they’re either activated by the admin manually or auto activated by sap in semi-annual releases. Doesn’t necessarily imply slowing development or fewer features, but this is the kind of change you would make when you have fewer things to talk about every quarter so you lump them all into two releases. I guess only time will tell.

[Amin_Omidy]

Hi Nick,

I may not have fully understood your question, but I'd like to provide insights as someone who has experience working with SAP ECS/RISE in the past and is currently supporting customers who have RISE or other implementations with the ECS team.

To begin, RISE with SAP now is a solution offering provided by the SAP ECS team. It's a Managed SAP service primarily focused on S/4. While SAP promotes RISE for SAP Customers as a solution for running in a private cloud, in reality, this typically means your SAP landscape is still hosted in a public cloud environment offered by hyperscalers like GCP, AWS, or Azure. The term "private" mainly signifies that it is managed by SAP, including the full network structure, often in a segregated segment.

I'm unsure which specific document or link you're referring to, but the key takeaway is that if you're seeking a subscription-based service where SAP manages your SAP cloud landscape, RISE is an excellent choice. However, if you plan to build your SAP landscape, particularly S/4, in a hyperscaler environment on your own or with a partner, that option is still available. In such cases, the implementation, whether it's greenfield, brownfield, or selective, can be carried out by a SAP Partner or a team of certified SAP consultants.

Thank you,

Amin