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Update: 23/11/2017

Please ignore the blog below and check out this OSS Note:

2420699 – Release of SAP HANA Database 2.0 for older SAP Versions

https://launchpad.support.sap.com/#/notes/2420699

 

NW7.4 OSDB PAM –

https://support.sap.com/content/dam/launchpad/en_us/pam/pam-essentials/TIP/NW74xPAMDBOS.pdf

According to the OSS Note and PAM NW7.4 is supported by HANA 2.0

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Good Evening All,

there is an excellent blog introducing SAP HANA 2.0 SAP HANA 2.0 editions and options – by the SAP HANA Academy , and, if you’re thinking to move an existing SAP System to HANA 2.0, or install a new SAP System on HANA 2.0, before going any further,

 

 

 

HANA 2.0 is not supported for NW7.4

There are no concrete plans from SAP side to support NW7.4 on HANA 2.0

This means, if you are running any SAP Applications on NW7.4, eg, BW NW 7.4 on HANA 1.0 you cannot  upgrade your HANA to HANA 2.0 because the BW NW 7.4 will not run on HANA 2.0

If you are running BW NW 7.4 you cannot do an “in-place upgrade” from HANA 1.0 to HANA 2.0 because NW 7.4 is not going to be supported on HANA 2.0

 

HANA 2.0 is planned to be supported for NW7.5

SAP is planning to release a version of NW7.5 which will support HANA 2.0 – according to the PAM Q1 2017, see more details further down

Until the HANA 2.0 version of NW7.5 is released, NW7.5 systems will not run on HANA 2.0

 

What it means

Therefore, for the time being, in both cases, NW7.4 and NW7.5 do not upgrade your HANA 1.0 to HANA 2.0. For NW7.5 SAP will confirm in the PAM when it is supported by HANA 2.0 .

I must admit this all came as a surprise for me. I had assumed, when HANA 2.0 was announced that it would naturally be supporting all of the SAP Products and Versions that HANA 1.0 Supports.

Even the OSS Note “1948334 – SAP HANA Database Update Paths for Maintenance Revisions” discusses the pre-requisite HANA 1.0 versions required to move to HANA 2.0 – but the Note does not give any hints that the SAP Products which currently work with HANA 1.0 might not be supported on HANA 2.0 .

In our case we’re affected by BW. All of our BW’s on HANA are NW7.4 . We were hoping to take the HANA systems to HANA 2,0 this year and we assumed that since the BW’s are supported by HANA 1.0 and the HANA Note shows that our HANA version meets the pre-requisites to upgrade to HANA 2.0 that it would be just that a straight upgrade of HANA and voila off we go.

Thankfully, we have been informed that the BW 7.4 is not supported on HANA 2.0 and therefore we avoid an unpleasant surprise and hence that’s the reason for this blog, be warned if you run NW7.4 on HANA you cannot upgrade your HANA to 2.0

 

Thinking Philosophically

When I saw HANA 2.0 being released I assumed since it comes from SAP, it will be downwardly compatible and that everything which runs on HANA 1.0 will run on HANA 2.0 .

We’re all familiar with installing SAP systems and when downloading the Installation Binaries choosing the NW version and then the Database (eg Oracle, DB2, SQL Server) and then receiving the Installation Binaries based upon the Software Version & Database combination.

So, it seems the same is true for HANA itself, the HANA 1.0 product and HANA 2.0 product must be so different that NW needs to be written to support either, eg when downloading NW we would choose which Database we intend to run NW on, either HANA 1.0 or HANA 2.0 .

This kind of now explains why HANA 1.0 SPS12 has such a long lifecycle, and will be supported until May 2019, this must be the grace period to enable Customers who have NW 7.4 on HANA 1.0 to

a) Upgrade NW to a version which supports HANA 2.0

and then

b) Upgrade HANA to HANA 2.0

 

I had also assumed when I started seeing that HANA 2.0 blogs and marketing information, that HANA 2.0 upon RTC would be supporting NW versions, but it’s curious that HANA 2.0 is out there but currently there’s not even a NW 7.5 which supports HANA 2.0 .

 

Next Steps

read these OSS Notes and do your homework:

2380229 – SAP HANA Platform 2.0 – Central Note

2378962 – SAP HANA 2.0 Revision and Maintenance Strategy

2399995 – Hardware requirement for SAP HANA 2.0

SAP Product Availability Matrix (PAM) for SAP NetWeaver 7.5

NW7.4 OS DB PAM

NW 7.5 OS DB PAM

According to the PAM for NW 7.5, we can expect probably after Q1/2017 support for SAP HANA 2.0 on NW 7.5  either with NW 7.5 SP07 or NW 7.5 SP08 (alternatively NW 7.51 SP02 or NW 7.51 SP03) – refer to the support package release schedule for planning your upgrade schedule

SAP Support Package Release Schedule 

2405803 – SAP HANA 2.0 SPS 00 Database Revision 001

this last Note is really worth reading, in the Installation/Upgrade section it really goes into detail about the differences between HANA 1.0 and HANA 2.0 and reading this almost reminds me of how different R/3 ECC and S/4HANA are and why you cannot simply upgrade from the former to the latter. Reading this Note brings some light to the reasons why we cannot just upgrade an existing NW system to HANA 2.0

 

Wrap Up

To wrap up, curiosities aside, the goal of this blog is to help that none of us get trapped into upgrading our HANA system(s) to a HANA version which no longer supports the NW version we are running, as this would be a difficult situation to explain to the  Business :-]

 

Until next time,

Andy.

 

 

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  1. Matt Fraser

    Hi Andy,

     

    Good information to help others potentially avoid costly mistakes!

     

    I’m curious, though, about your statement “Prior to NW7,5 (where only Databases from SAP are supported)…” If that’s true, then we, and a bunch of other customers upgrading to ERP Enhancement Pack 8, are in some trouble! EhP8 runs on NetWeaver 7.5, and NW 7.5 definitely still supports third-party databases.

     

    Cheers,
    Matt

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    1. Andy Silvey Post author

      Thanks Matt, done – changed – I was thinking about Fiori Abap Frontend Server for 1610 which only runs on SAP’s db’s but of course you’re right this is not the case for the whole 7,5 – corrected

      Andy

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  2. Derek Fox

    Hi Andy

    Great information.

    Can you please also add the following note/links to your list (Next Steps):

    • 2399995 – Hardware requirement for SAP HANA 2.0
    • SAP Product Availability Matrix (PAM) for SAP NetWeaver 7.5
    • SAP Support Package Release Schedule https://support.sap.com/release-upgrade-maintenance/maintenance-schedule.html

     

    According to the PAM for NW 7.5, we can expect probably after Q1/2017 support for SAP HANA 2.0 on NW 7.5  either with NW 7.5 SP07 or NW 7.5 SP08 (alternatively NW 7.51 SP02 or NW 7.51 SP03) – refer to the support package release schedule for planning your upgrade schedule.

     

     

    Regards

    Derek

     

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  3. Witalij Rudnicki

    Hello Andy. I think the title is somewhat misleading. With HANA 2.0 announcement SAP made it clear that 1.0 is going to be supported in longer maintenance windows introducing “two-speed” HANA versions: stable (read less frequently updated) 1.0 release for applications to satisfy customers demand for less update projects, and more frequently updated 2.0 for new innovations. You can find more details e.g. here: http://www.asugnews.com/article/sap-positions-new-hana-platform-release-hana-2-for-fast-track-it-innovation

    Regards.

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    1. Andy Silvey Post author

       

      Hi Witalij,

      thank you for the feedback.

      You are correct the title of the blog was, shall we say, tabloid, and that was intentional to attract the attention of the desired target readership/audience.

      The goal of the blog is to help together in the Community, ensure, that accidently, SAP Customers don’t fall into the trap of thinking they can upgrade their HANA 1.0 to HANA 2.0 transparently to the NW version, which, yes, nearly happened to me 🙂 I can smile now, but had it happened it would not have been a pretty picture.

      Towards your feedback:

      With HANA 2.0 announcement SAP made it clear that:

      HANA 1.0 is going to be supported in longer maintenance windows

      introducing “two-speed” HANA versions:

      stable (read less frequently updated) 1.0 release for applications to satisfy customers demand for less update projects

      and more frequently updated 2.0 for new innovations
      Working for a SAP Customer, I know, when we spend money, invest money, in SAP Technology, we want the most bang for the buck, we want value for money, features, benefits, therefore, although we are not often a Ramp Up Customer, we will adopt SAP versions and solutions once they become RTC

      Speaking for HANA 2.0, there are many features in HANA 2.0 which we would like to implement to bring value to the company, eg Active/Active with Read Only Enabled

      This is an amazing feature of HANA 2.0 which will enable SAP Customers to get daily value from normally redundent DR infrastructure. The DR side of HANA systems is shall we say, not accessed for 99% of the time, only in a DR situation does the DR infrastructure come online. The DR infrastructure costs a huge amount of money to have sat around doing nothing. With Active/Active Read Only Enabled we can set the DR HANA System to Read Only Enabled and use it for Analytics and Reporting and take load off the primary HANA system – this is real value and progress

      We were hoping to take advantage of that this year, when we “upgraded HANA from 1.0 to 2.0”

      But we can’t can we, unless we upgrade NetWeaver from 7.4 to 7.5 because HANA 2.0 is not supported on NW 7.4

      If you are interested in Active/Active Read Only Enabled there’s an excellent demo here: https://aasimsdcbihana.hana.ondemand.com/activeactive.html

      Two speed HANA Versions, 1.0 release to satisfy customers demands for less updates and 2.0 for new innovations, ok…

      in my SAP Landscape I have all of the products from SAP, eg, ECC, BW, SCM, CLM, EP, CE, Fiori, CRM, SRM, GRC, GBT, and more etc etc

      I want to have the latest RTC features available to all systems, which of these systems would I choose for HANA 1.0 and which of these systems would I choose for HANA 2.0 ? It can be argued, that at the choice of the Customer, there should be the possibility to have the innovations on any of the systems, and hence why would I run HANA 1.0 on some systems and HANA 2.0 on others ? What if I run HANA 1.0 on some system and the Business want features which they’ve seen at SAPPHIRE but which are only available with HANA 2.0 ?

      SAP want everybody on 7.5+ and HANA 2.0

      The only way to get the Customers onto 7.5+ and HANA 2.0 is to corral them into having no other alternatives.

      Through not supporting NW7.4 with HANA 2.0, SAP are succeeding to force the Customers to move to NW7.5+ to enable the Customer then to move to HANA 2.0

      Why is SPS12 of HANA 1.0 supported until May 2019, because that is the planned grace period to get the Customers onto NW7.5 and higher

      When I look at HANA 1.0 SPS12 and the frequency of new Revisions for SPS12 as a direct consequence of critical bug fixes, it is difficult to swallow the story that HANA 1.0 is intended to satisfy Customers demands for less upgrade Projects. Therefore, regarding HANA Revision/Patching cycles, from a Customer’s perspective I see no difference between HANA 1.0 and HANA 2.0.

      It is what it is.

      I hope this feedback better explains the goals, motivations, and challenges.

      Best regards,

      Andy.

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  4. Sergio Guerrero

    great blog… this is really good to know before going to a version that is not supported.. usually, blogs highlight the other way around… this is what is supported therefore sometimes we are blind about things that are not there..

     

    thanks for Sharing Andy!

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  5. Andy Silvey Post author

    Hi Nicolas,

    thanks for the feedback and input and long time since we last crossed paths, so happy new year

    and all the best for 2017.

    I’ll avoid starting a debate in the comments of your blog, but, you’ve written:

    “Hence, we can assume below products are eligible to run on SAP HANA Database 2.0”,

    as I am sure you well know in our Basis business should try to avoid  doing things based upon assumptions.

    The information I have received and also confirmed by the PAM’s concludes that NW7.4 is not

    supported by HANA 2.0 .

    I suggest you to clarify this before communicating assumptions to your readers.

    If it turns out HANA 2.0 is supporting NW7.4 I’ll be very happy to be corrected and correct this blog.

    What do you think ?

    Best regards,

    Andy.

     

     

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    1. Nicholas Chang

      Agree, and we need SAP input to confirm below statement:

      “SAP has released SAP HANA Database 2.0 for SAP Kernel 7.49 64-Bit Unicode and higher for certain operating system platforms. Therefore, SAP products that use these kernel versions, and are still in SAP Extended Maintenance after 2016 will be operated on SAP HANA Database 2.0. ”

      personally, i believe it should supported, let’s wait some comment from SAP.

      And Happy new year a flying start for year 2017 to you too! 😉

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      1. Andy Silvey Post author

         

         

        I read the Note

        https://launchpad.support.sap.com/#/notes/2420699

        and it says…

        SAP has released SAP HANA Database 2.0 for SAP Kernel 7.49 64-Bit Unicode and higher for certain operating system platforms. Therefore, SAP products that use these kernel versions, and are still in SAP Extended Maintenance after 2016 will be operated on SAP HANA Database 2.0.
        To find out whether a special SAP product version is released for SAP HANA Database 2.0, see the SAP Product Availability Matrix (PAM). This is available at:

        https://support.sap.com/release-upgrade-maintenance/pam.html

         

        and when I check the PAM for NW7.4, the PAM says…

        https://support.sap.com/content/dam/library/ssp/infopages/pam-essentials/TIP/NW74xPAMDBOS.pdf

        HANA 2.0 not there meaning not supported.

         

        So let’s wait and see. If you find out 7.4 gets supported let me know pls.

        Andy.

         

         

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  6. Andy Silvey Post author

    SAP have updated the Note:

    https://launchpad.support.sap.com/#/notes/2420699

    to be honest I don’t yet understand what they mean regarding allowing NW 7.4 during the Start Phase of the HANA 2.0 Upgrade, unless, they will subsequently either:

    . support HANA 2.0 for NW 7.4

    or

    . tie in the NW7.4 support for HANA 2.0 upgrade with a condition that as part of the HANA 2.0 upgrade we upgrade the BW NW to 7.5

    let’s see what happens

    Andy.

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  7. Nicholas Chang

    Hi Andy,

    Agreed that i can’t understand fully on those statement and there’s still a lot of guessing, hope SAP can clarify on above and much homework to work on the note quality.

    Cheers,

    Nicholas Chang

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    1. Nicholas Chang

      Hi Andy,

      Clarified with SAP, SAP NW 7.4 is not supported to run on HANA 2.0 for operation at the moment but is allowed to run temporarily during upgrade.

      Thanks,

      Nicholas Chang

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  8. Marco MAININI

    Hi,
    we’re evaluating to migrate our SAP ERP 6.0 EHP5 + MS SQL 2012 to SAP ERP 6.0 EHP8 + HANA: since we would like to adopt the latest HANA 2.0, we need to know when EHP8 FOR SAP ERP 6.0 will be supported on HANA 2.0.

    Checking the Product Availability Matrix, so far HANA 2.0 support “SAP NETWEAVER 7.5” (“Application Server ABAP”) but apparently right now “EHP8 FOR SAP ERP 6.0” (“Central Appliactions”) supports only HANA 1.0 as Database Platform (see https://apps.support.sap.com/sap/support/pam?hash=pvnr%3D73555000100900000247%26pt%3Dg%257Cd).
    Do you have any visibility (a date) on the support of EHP8 FOR SAP ERP 6.0 on SAP HANA 2.0? Maybe with SPS 6 of EHP8 FOR SAP ERP 6.0 (planned for week 18), HANA 2.0 will be supported?
    Unfortunately I can’t find any information regarding the support of HANA 2.0 for EHP8 FOR SAP ERP 6.0.
    Thank you for your help.

     

     

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    1. Andy Silvey Post author

       

      Hi Marco,

      I am also from a SAP Customer and have no greater visibility than you.

      Please let’s all keep looking and whatever we find post here.

      Best regards,

      Andy.

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      1. Marco MAININI

        Hi Andy,

        finally “EHP8 FOR SAP ERP 6.0” (“Central Applications”) is supported by HANA 2.0 starting from 31.03.2017!

        From note “2171334 – EHP8 for SAP ERP 6.0 SP Stacks – Release & Information Note”

        NEW: SAP HANA database 2.0 iSp stack 00 Revision 2 is released for Enhancement Package 8 for SAP ERP 6.0.

        This is an excellent news!

        Kind regards,

        Marco

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    1. Andy Silvey Post author

       

      yesterday it wasn’t there, but now it is released again.

      so the PAM is still saying NW7.4 not supported on HANA 2.0, and the Note confirms this, but the Note does say that during HANA 1.0 to HANA 2.0 Upgrade NW7.4 will be temporarily supported, I guess it means to get to NW7.5 we’ll need to upgrade NW7.4 to HANA 2.0 and then straight away as the next step during the same maintenance upgrade NW to 75.

      Andy.

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  9. H A

    Hi Team

    We are in plan to migrate ECC to HANA 1.0, Current BW has SEM-BCS Solution which is no longer in maintenance by SAP, however it is in use for critical business usage

    Current BW is installed with FINBASIS ECC component (required for SEM-BCS) which is compatible upto HANA 1.0 but not with HANA 2.0 with the research we could conclude

    We would like to migrate BW to HANA 2.0 to benefit from more advances reporting and analytics capabilities of HANA 2.0.

    As of now there is no path to either remove FINBASIS ECC or upgrade this component to be HANA 2.0 compliant

    Could you please let me know what are the suggestions/advice to proceed further ?

    Appreciate your prompt response

    Thanks! HA

     

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  10. Peter Dzvonyar

    Hello,

    Just checked the  PAM on SAPNET and HANA 2.0 is now released also for Netweaver 7.4: ABAP, Java, BI, etc.

    But nor for all SAP products based on NW 7.4.

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        1. Andy Silvey Post author

           

          Hi Naveen,

          I cannot find that information, please describe the steps to find that information, I mean, click this, then click then click that and then click that

          Thanks

          Andy.

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  11. Naveen Kumar Ketha

    Hi Andy,

     

    I had link pasted in my above comments.

    Please click on below link. you can also go to the below link by going to PAM and searching for SAP Netweaver 7.4 and then go to Database platforms in technical release information Tab. you need to choose Business Intelligence in the Product instance drop down

    BW 7.4 HANA Database compatibility 

     

     

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    1. Tabrayz Abdul

      Hi Andy,

      Thanks for the update most awaited information I must say!!!

      So now NW7.4 is supported on HANA 2.0

      One question I have a system EHP7 EHP6.0 running on HANA 1.0 SP12 (1.00.122.04.1478575636) so I can go ahead and perform database upgrade from 1.0 to 2.0 latest revision (Revision 2.00.022.00 (SPS02) rite?

      Also have few SAP NW7.4 abap stack running on hana 1.0 so that also can be now upgraded to HANA 2.0?

      Please confirm.

      Thanks

      Tabrayz

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      1. Andy Silvey Post author

         

        Hi Tabrayz,

        according to the latest material and the PAM the answer is yes, but the best thing you can do is read the NW7.4 and HANA 2.0 OSS Notes, they are the source of truth on questions like this.

        Start with this Note:

        2420699 – Release of SAP HANA Database 2.0 for older SAP Versions

        Best regards,

        Andy.

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        1. Tabrayz Abdul

           

          Hi Andy,

          Thanks for your reply !!

          Surely will check the notes..

          As we know HANA 2.0 is MDC by default hence I a have question concerning multi SID installation?

          let’s say in an environment we have three standalone systems with HANA 1.0 SP12 (single dbs)and for these three standalone systems we have DR (disaster recovery) in one single appliance with multi SID installation (DR1,DR2 & DR3)

          Hence when we upgrade our standalone systems to HANA 2.0 these systems will automatically converted to MDC then how about the DR system as this is a single system with multi sid I understand that we have to upgrade the DR systems as well to HANA 2.0 but my question is when we upgrade DR to hana 2.0 then this will also get converted in MDC meaning one single server will have three system dbs and 3 tenant dbs so is this supported?

          As you know in multi sid each instance will have separate SIDADM user hence i have to perform upgrade on three instances separately on one single server so this will turn in to 3 system dbs and 3 tenant dbs is this ok? how hana 2.0 is getting Handel in multi sid scenario?

          Please shed some light on this.

          Thanks

          Tabrayz

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          1. Andy Silvey Post author

             

            Hi Tabrayz,

            this is a great question and the discussion will be valuable to others too, can you please post this as a question in the HANA Forum, and put a link here to the question and then let’s continue this thread in the HANA Forum where a) the discussion will get more visibility for others to contribute, and b) more people will be able to profit from the discussion too

            Thanks and best regards,

            Andy.

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