FAQ: SAP BW & Operational Data Provisioning Framework (ODP)
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Hello Marc,
We are planning to leverage BW reporting out of SAP GRC system. Does ODP be applicable in this use case. since we don't have seperate BW system, we are trying to understand if it benefits to go with ODP or with out ODP. Please suggest.
thanks.
Hi Prashnath,
the ODP infrastrcuture can also be used to enabled reporting scenarios in embedded BW use cases like in SAP GRC. In this cases we are exposing a DataSource with direct access on tables. My explanation in this blog is focusing on transfering data with ODP to another system.
Here you find documentation for your use case:
Operational Data Provisioning - Search and Operational Analytics - SAP Library
Regards,
Marc
thank you Marc.
Hi Marc,
Thanks for the detailed Blod, the is very nice document on ODP, I have few questions Reg..this.
I am new to this ODP Concept, in our company we have ECC6, BW on HANA, SLT connected to HANA & BODS.
Please share me detail steps to implement the ODP extraction from SAP, SLT, BODS.
Jameel
Please find my answers according to you questions:
Regards,
Marc
Dear MARC,
We are running on BW on HANA
Project, as part of that we are implementing ODP enabled extractors.
You would like to use the ODP
data replication API for the below datasource to replicate Data from ERP System
using ODP - SAP (Extractors).
The below extractors are not yet
released for ODP, please advise us how we can leverage the ODP functionality
for the below SAP standard Data sources.
SAP
Extractor
2LIS_03_BF
2LIS_03_BX
2LIS_03_UM
0FI_GL_6
0FI_GL_4
0CO_OM_WBS_6
0CO_OM_CCA_10
0CO_PC_ACT_05
0CO_PC_ACT_02
0EC_PCA_1
Hi Shaik Jameel Ahmed,
all the data sources mentioned by you are already released for extraction in the ODP context.
Just follow SAP Note 2232584 mentioned in bullet point 'How can I enable standard or generic extractors using ODP?' in Marc's blog post above.
Best regards,
Andreas
Hi Marc,
Can you please review the SAP Note given for the following question:
The SAP Note refers to EHS and I think you meant a different one.
Thanks in advance.
Best regards,
Sander
Hi Sander,
thanks for the hint, it was indeed a type which should refer to:
2232584 - Release of SAP extractors for operational data provisioning (ODP)
Thanks,
Marc
Hello Marc,
Thanks for an informative Blog. I have a QQ in my scenario I need to know the last Delta pointer of a Delta Queue for ODQ. My scenario :
i) <Generic Timestamp Data Source ECC > --> ODP based extraction into BW cube w/o PSA (Target 1)
ii) <Same Data source as i) in ECC > --> ODP based extraction to Virtual Provider in BW but with a filter of data only upto the Timestamp extracted in process i) Target 2.
appreciate your help.
Thanks,
Tarun
Hi Marc,
Thanks for the updates. Apart from performance of loading,
1.what is the main difference between loading from the Operational Delta Queue (TA ODQMON) in the source system via DTP into a DSO compared to loading from BW Service API Delta Queue (TA RSA7) via InfoPackage into a PSA and then via DTP into a DSO.
2.Can we make ODP frame work for extractors realtime without SLT.?
Thanks,
Joseph
Hi Joseph,
regarding your questions:
1) the data transfer, data storage (compressed) and the options to easily subscribe with many targets to the same source by receiving delta independently. Last but not least ODP is our strategic interface and with the services of ODQ in source we don't need a PSA table per default 🙂
2) ODP supports all the existing extractor capabilities, also regards RDA enablement. However it is not enabling more extractors real-time (without SLT).
Regards,
Marc
Hi Marc,
Can you please let me know your recommendation.
we are going to start NEW BW implementation, do you recommend use Source system
" ODP - SAP (Extractors) " ? Rather Classical SAP API ?
if you have Step by Step for one Flow , please share us.
Thanks for your help.
Jameel
Yes I would absolutely recommend ODP from scratch.
There is no difference for implementation, beside you just use another type of source system and enable once the extractors for ODP usage. This is documented in my blog and in sap help.
Regards,
Marc
Hi Mark,
Can you please clarify, when you are saying "
Yes I would absolutely recommend ODP from scratch.
There is no difference for implementation
"
do you consider that the implementation of ODP requires to have SLT server int system landscape, but with Classical SAP API SLT server is not required?
or I missing something in the concept?
thanks,
Best, Igor
Hi Igor,
there are multiple use cases for ODP usage, which we should not mix up together:
I would recommend to use ODP for transfer between ERP to BW in every new data flow. SLT could be an additional tool to replicate data in real-time by also using ODP as framework.
Regards,
Marc
Hi Marc,
can i replicate real-time data from ERP to BW by ODP-SAP(Extractors) source system?
can i use sap standard extractor in ODP-SLT source system? SLT support only DB tables and Views?
Hi Marc,
Interesting information 🙂 I have a question regarding the scenario where ODP is used in between 2 BW systems.
How should we proceed in this case? My initial idea was:
However, I found out that:
So I wonder now what the preferred method of transferring data between 2 BW systems using ODP is?
Thanks far any clarification!
Kind regards,
Christophe Posson
No worries,
Answer found thanks to odp.feedback@sap.com.
As of BW 7.4 SP5 most of the InfoProviders are by default available as datamart interface for ODP in the BW to BW scenario.
InfoCube TEST123 for example would represent itself as TEST123$F in the ODP datasource tree in the target BW.
Kind regards,
Christophe
Hi Marc,
We have an ERP1->ERP2 scenario in which I have to transfer daily GL data (with some ETL) from one ECC6 system to another.
We would like to leverage the powerful delta queue features of ODQMON but we do not have the use of DataServices.
Is it possible for the receiving ERP2 system to be the consumer of the delta queue in ERP1? What mechanism/s could be used to achieve this?
Thanks and regards,
Dieter Zimmermann
Hi Marc,
For the point,
I am trying to understand the scenario where ODP queue will help in improving the issue with extractor run time for data loads that are performed daily during night by filling the ODP queue frequently, ex. more than once in a day.
In a regular flow using RSA7 the data has to be loaded to PSA multiple times a day. Can you please comment?
Hi Marc,
It would be nice if there is a scenario / how to what to do if release / EHP in source system is changing. For the old RSA7 way there are several guide which basically say clear delta queue (which means 0 in RSA7) and then proceed which release change.
E.g.
http://scn.sap.com/community/data-warehousing/bw/blog/2013/11/25/step-by-step-process-to-clear-extract-delta-queues-during-patchupgrade-in-ecc-system
http://scn.sap.com/docs/DOC-27590
http://scn.sap.com/community/data-warehousing/bw/blog/2013/07/09/how-to-clear-the-outbound-queue-and-delta-queue
But there are some DS which have safety intervalls of e.g. 2hours. That means in RSA7 you can check if there are really no records anymore. Then you have the approval that it's safe to continue. I'm not sure how this should work in ODQMON because I don't see records which are not extracted to BW in this monitoring transaction, do I? Second thing is that the records are kept for a customizable time period. Does this data has to be cleared before release change / EHP because structures could be changed?
Furthermore it is difficult to activate content from BW because some DS are not available with ODP. That bascally means that content has to be activated for two source systems in parallel for ODP and old way to get the ones where no ODP is available at the moment. Or maybe something like prefer ODP but if this is not available use the old way. It would be nice if a total switch from RSA7 to ODP / ODQMON would be possible.
Regards,
Torsten
Hi All,
We were performing Inventory data loading to BW PRD (BI 7.4 SP15) system from ECC 6.0 and
using ODP enabled data sources as below
we are using the LSA++ Architecture.
ODP DataSource --> W/Optimiz ADSO --> Standard DSO (ADSO).
Please advice me how to implement the Inventory model in BW, since this is compleatly different from classic approach.
I have gone through the SAP Help document, it is not updated one.
Inventory Management (SAP HANA-Optimized) - Supply Chain Management (SAP HANA-Optimized) - SAP Library
if any one implemented with LSA++ & ODP based extraction, please help me.
@Jameel
Hi Jameel,
the procedure when extracting inventory data via ODP is actually pretty much the same as described in the online documentation, especially on page Perform Setup: Inventory Management (SAP ERP).
Problem might be that you could not find the option 'Initial Non-Cumulative for Non-Cumulative Values' in the DTP for your ODP data source 2LIS_03_BX. But this is a bug and can be fixed by implementing SAP Note 2353421 '740SP16: Minor problems in ODP DataSources'.
Hope this helps...
All the best,
Andreas
Hi Andreas,
Mentioned note does not solve the issue. There is still no possibility to load ‘Initial status’ and update with 'non cumm...' for 2LIS_03_BX without PSA after note implementation. (BW 7.4 SP 14)
Kind regards,
Sebastian
This blog is from Nov. 2015 and by that time the standard LO extractors like 2LIS_03_BF were not released for ODP and you said on the blog that we should NOT change to ODP based extraction FOR existing extractors BUT to consider ODP for all future implementations.
My question is, considering that the standard extractors like 2LIS_03_BF are NOW released for ODP:
-Why would we not be able or rather, not want to replace existing classical extractor for 2LIS_03_BF with ODP based extraction if we want to use it with SLT and take advantage of real-time inventory data? Is this still a limitation even though the extractor is now released for ODP? Can we not go ahead with this approach?
Hi Marc,
Would you please help me understanding how ODP compression works. I thought it's going to suppress the number of rows by adding the KF for same key elements. But I see the same number of records in RSA7 and ODQ. And it still shows that data is 90% compressed. How does it actually compress?
Thanks
Mohit
Hi Marc,
as the extractors are supposed to not change their behaviour will this also apply to any extensions made particularly when existing Business exits are used? That is, all RSUP_SAPI_BAPI implementation will still be accessible?
As I read the archticture (see Standard documention) the extractors as such are all processed before ODP Comes into Play. Hence, I'd assume we can still leverage investigations made.
Will you kindly comment?
Thanks in advance.
Best regards
Andreas
Hi Marc,
I can you help to clarify following questions
1. We are going to implement new BW4HANA where source is still ECC in RDBMS, As this is a kind of landscape transformation we also want to keep live the old BW system as a keep the lights on. The question is as our source is same ECC in RDBMS for old BW system and also going to be the new BW4 system
1. How to use the ODP Data source (BW4 hana optimizes) in old BW system where we are flowing ETL?
2. Will there be option to have 2 version of data source one HANA optimized and other old extractor ?
3. If need to use the same ODP extractor for old BW which is using the RSA7 delta Q how that going to work in BW4 which is more based on ODQ ?
4. If I do any enhancement in the extractor how that going to reflect?
Thanks
Samit
Hello Marc,
We are in BW 7.5 SP3 and using ODP as the connector for Industry text and Distribution channel text, in BW while replicating the datasource getting the below error.
————————
Error while saving DataSource 0INDUSTRY_TEXT_0001 xxxCLNT060
No fields were supplied
Source system xxxCLNT060: metadata upload with errors
Message no. RSDS554
—————————–
Any thoughts ???
Hi All,
Actually, one of our Customer is implementing Microsoft BI, and for that we would like to extract data from SAP ECC. We have been exploring various ways and means for this purpose.
I Just wanted to confirm, can we use ODP for this purpose (without using SAP BW) ? If yes, I would like to humbly request you to guide us with detail procedure.
Thanks
Hello Marc and others,
Can anyone help me on below questions:
1- What is the ECC version pre-requisite for enabling SLT-ODP to transfer data to BW4HANA? I couldn't find anything specific on ECC versions whereas everwhere it says DMIS version add-on.
2- I have to implement FI_GL_4 and UC_SALES_STATS utility extractor in BW4HANA but we have existing BW version as well where currently delta queue is through RSA7. I found the blogs where it says both extractors will have problem while sending delta to 2 diff BW systems. Can anyone throw light on this?
Thanks
Hello Everyone,
We are facing issues with creation of Source system under ODP - SAP (extratores) ( SAPI ) , got this error message
Source system ECDCLNT300 already exists.
How can i create the source system or how can i replicate the DS in Source to Netweaver system ?
Thanks
Ram
Thanks Nice Detailed Article..
Can you share the methods to extract data from any of SLT / ODP / ODQ by Non-SAP environment. May be with ODBC or any other NON SAP Tool.
I understand Dataservice can connect with ODP (ODQ) and read data but it there is latency..
How can we have it more real time Change Data Capture data extraction from SLT / ODP / ODQ from any tool (Non SAP) to extract data outside SAP stack..
Hi Marc,
We are in BW version is 7.5 SP08 and we are converting objects to move to B4H.
Looks like the DataSource must be switched to BW-ODP to switch to BWH mode - the error message says "Use transfer tool in data mart".
Could you please tell me how to consume the transfer tool?
Thanks,
Naresh
Hello,
We have an ETL tool which uses the RFC NetWeaver SDK 7.21 for data extraction from SAP System.
However we need to support the SAP BW Standard Extractors ( SAP ODP Extractors ) for data extraction from our Application.
We would like to use RFC function modules from SAP ODP API’s 2.0.
Below are the function modules which can be used for data extraction from ODP Extractors.
We might need to use some more functions as well.
From the SAP Note 1931427 – ODP Data Replication API 2.0. Those RFC function modules can be used for RFC Client applications.
However from one of the SAP ODP FAQ documents says that SAP ODP API’s is restricted to SAP Applications and not used by 3rd party party ETL Tools.
Can we use those RFC Function modules for RFC Client application ( ETL Tool) ? If this is not way the correct way then which approach we should use for data extraction from SAP ODP Extractors ?
Thank you in advance.
Regards,
Sachin