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Thanks Nathan
Thanks a lot Nathan,
Material ledger is already integrated in ACDOCA in SFIN 3.0 or S/4 HANA Nov release. Yes, I agree on the second point, SAP still needs to think/take care about few redundancies. 🙂
Hi Nathan,
You have been great help for FI folks on SCN. Quick question, will we have special purpose ledger play in tomorrow's simple finance world? With Acdoca table accomodating all the fields, relevance of SPL may slightly pushed back, what are your view on this?
Thanks
Prabhakar
Hi Nathan,
Thanks to clarify. So, BSEG will be just for documents that were migrated, am I right?
Thanks
JPA
BSEG isn't supposed to be used anymore with sFIN.
Thanks Nathan. I imagined.
Nathan
There is a correction. BSEG is still available . I am not sure whether this BSEG table is simultaneously updated along with ACDOCA. or this a just a view which reflects data from ACDOCA. This need some clarity from somebody in SAP Development .
and I don't see any changes in Special Purpose Ledger as such. The reasons that customers used to adopt SPL still remain valid to a large extent. In some cases Special Purpose ledger can be retired to make way for an Appendix Ledger or a Parallel ledger ( future exercise after SFIN migration .
It's still populated in some cases so the 999 line item limitation still applies.
BSEG will continue to be used in Simple finance to manage open items. Though the universal Journal posted in ACDOCA contains all the characteristics of the line item but still open items management for all GL accounts will be managed through BSEG.
Nice document
Yes, I very much agree with Malolan,
BSEG Table is still available in SFIN however I thought its only a view and for all practical purposes only ACDOCA Table will be used.
BSEG & BSEG_ADD tables are available in S4H too, some of the key fields related open item /payment information will be available in BSEG which is not in ACDOCA.
SAP material says -
Document Summarization
Accounting Interface
MM
SD
HR
…
ACDOCA
BSEG
Document Summarization
 BSEG summarization is still in place and can be used as usual.
 ACDOCA stores the full detail that is needed for all components that base on ACDOCA (G/L, AA, ML, CO, PA).
 Summarizing BSEG “aggressively” will bring relief with respect to the 999 line item limitation (BSEG-BELNR has only 3 digits). This can be done, since ACDOCA stores the full detail and ACDOCA has a 6 digit field for line item numbering.
Else where Nathan Genez says that still we have 999 limit in BSEG.....reason am enquiring is my access to S4HANA system is still underway, meanwhile can you all confirm which one is right?
Thanks -
There was a Q &A session with Product managemet a couple of months back. We hd Janet Saloman and others in the session. What these experts were telling us was that BSEG was not going to be retired anytime soon The reason given is that BSEG is the first point of entry or " Prima Nota " so in effect it continues to be necessary. But since these aggregate tables are no longer needed , we dont need to use BSEG to access data relating to Revenue and Expense.. this would be in ACDOCA and we could use BSEG to access AR and AP data . Product management felt that changing dcument line item field from 4 to 6 digits in BSEG wasnt necessary and customers could use ACDOCA for revenue and expense. So this brings us to te question whether typially AR / AP transactions for have more than 999 line items ? maybe not ?
Ths could be laid to rest by doing a a trial of a FB01 data load using a Mix of AR / AP and Expense / revenue items where no of lie items exceeds 999. I would like to see if such a document gets posted and if so how tables get updated ..
Thanks Malolan for product mgt. updates.,
Regarding 999 line items still i don't think so it is materialized in sFIN.,
Yes, As product management saying BSEG is Prima note for further documents, then with out changing line item field digits from 4 to 6 in BSEG in FI & COEP in CO., how it is possible just changing only in ACDOCA.?
Even SAP saying in sFIN document that every 999 line item there will be a separate document number Or Transaction number will generate automatically.
Thanks..!
Br,
Thanks Nathan
Regards
Arvind Leo Pereira
Hi Folks
So this essentially means that customers need to compress documents if possible or rework interfaces so that you have seperat document numbers for each block of 999 lin items .. I can only infer that when SAP created this new table it wanted to do a clean start by keeping it 6digits . In case SAP's developement tea is able to do away with a need for Prima nota linked to BSEG/ BKPF and COEP obviusly this is a foundational change ... then we will see genuine use of 6 digit line items.. The use of currency per header serves as a limitation for large volume external interfaces ..
Long way to go yet,....
Hi  Friends ..
I just had a thought  about this  999 line item issue.  Has  SAP  given a thought  to this  in the latest 1610 version.  Has  BSEG line item number field changed from 4 to 6 ??  Any  updates  from product management on this  ??
Cheers
Malolan R
BSEG for the time being will not change. You must make use of summarization for more than 999 lines. There are to my knowledge no plans to change this logic anytime soon.
Hi,
Since line item reports such as FBL3N are based on "old" tables like BSEG, BSIS, BKPF etc. does anyone know of a line item report based on ACDOCA?
Thanks,
Yoel.
Hi Guys,
What is the big deal about Prima nota being stored in BSEG?
If the record is stored in ACDOCA, isn't it good enough to be regarded as a prima nota as well?
Hi,
If all BPKF fields are in ACDOCA as well, why do we need BKPF still? The argument that BKPF is still needed to depict a document header and line items relationship is not very strong considering the fact that the such a parent and child relationship can still be depicted by the BKPF records stored in the ACDOCA.
Please enlighten me.
Just wanted to update this blog. SAP Note 2297729 has additional info on the BSEG / ACDOCA usage. Apparently BSEG is used for the "entry view" of documents, as well as open item management. The Note points out that some postings do not require the "entry view" so they are only contained in ACDOCA (which is the "G/L view"). So ACDOCA has all documents, but not so BSEG.
Regarding Sanjay's comments on BKPF: the functionality of the document header and line item tables has not changed under S/4: some fields are unique to the header and are not duplicated at every line of ACDOCA (or BSEG). I don't ever recall seeing that that was a modeling change introduced in S/4.
Regarding Yoel's question on new line item reports for S/4: transaction FAGLL03H is an awesome new tool for aggregating and reporting on any field in BKPF, ACDOCA, and BSEG, as well as associated master data tables SKA1, SKB1, LFA1, and KNA1. Note 1671486 briefly describes these "FI Line Item Browsers". I highly suggest exploring this t-code and the others.
Bryan
Bryan,
Very important distinctions, which are going to the heart of the new FI, so thanks for sharing.
thx, greg