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Author's profile photo Somnath Manna

What’s next for SAP APO

This a question in the minds of clients and more importantly for us SAP Consultants who have been working with APO for past 15 years or so. There is lot of debate offline and online in this topic including tales like here and here. Not to mention in our own SCN series of discussion forum threads Will SAP substitute APO?, APO Roadmap and demand-driven MRP, APO being sunset in 2020? sparked off. To top it SAP’s SVP Line of Business Supply Chain, Hans Thalbauer talked about roadmap and direction in 2014 and here recently on broader Supply Chain implications and SAP applications.

It is very clear things are not going to be the same. It is not just about HANA but a plethora of Supply Chain related business process and technical innovations that is pushing for a step change for an relatively old (but stable and reasonably robust) application like APO. SAP APO is no longer considered New Dimension Product and does not command much premium for quite some time now, be it in Consulting rates or SI companies hiring for the skill. HAving worked my entire professional life as SAP Consultant primarily in SAP APO, here is my take on the topic.

1. SAP APO will be under general support till 2025 (extended from 2020 earlier) part of SAP Business Suite. This is as announced now – may change in future.

2. Currently SCM 7 EhP 3 is most recent Enhancement Package for APO, there is no guidance for EhP 4 or any future enhancement packs for SCM or APO.

3. SCM 7 EhP 3 can run with HANA as underlying database along with other traditional databases notably IBM DB2, MS SQL Server, Oracle.

4. SAP IBP is pure HANA based application – current launched version is Ver 5 with S&OP, Demand , Supply, Inventory & Control Tower as its components.

5. S4/HANA is the next generation Business Suite application running on HANA as DB. Simple Logistics is expected to be launched before end 2015 and will be the first innovation series in Supply Chain area.

6. From ECC 6 EhP 7 it is possible to activate business function to run APO on ERP i.e. APO DP, SNP, PPDS and GATP components in ECC directly. There are some restrictions and note communication between APO – ECC is still via CIF with liveCache required.

7. There is planned move APO PPDS and GATP functionalities to ERP in S4/HANA (no official roadmap reference found so far – if anyone has please share found it and blogged here).

8. SAP IBP application focus S&OP capabilities along with Demand and Supply that will cover most of APO DP, SNP functionalities.

9. SmartOps suite products like Demand Sensing is introduced in IBP Demand while Enterprise Inventory Optimisation is IBP Inventory.

10. New Supply Chain process and technology innovations are expected to be launched either as part of S4/HANA or SAP IBP both of which are running on HANA as underlying database layer. There is nothing to confirm that such innovations will be available on non HANA DB systems (it is not a question about performance but more deep-seated as to where application logic resides and operates on).

Even though SAP is pushing hard on HANA and IBP, APO will be around for quite some time. For all it’s apparent fallacies, gray areas etc. APO is a robust planning tool tightly integrated with ERP. Personally I believe there is not a strong business case for APO on HANA in the current context. APO uses liveCache that itself is in-memory database, so just performance of HANA is not going to make a difference. Integrated Analytics is one strong point but then after Supply Chain Info Center (SCIC) introduction not a lot has been heard about its long-term roadmap, nor has it been pitched much later on. Guess it is ported in SAP IBP Supply Chain Control Tower KPIs. Moreover SCIC provided very specific set of dashboards primarily around DP and SNP modules and not very flexible other than addition of new KPI measures in existing dashboards.

This brings us to the big question as what’s next especially for those into APO Consulting line. As I see it customer adoption will take time along with product development timelines and maturity. Note clients will expect at a minimum all APO functionalities to be available in the next generation application – SAP IBP is clearly not there yet. S4/HANA for Supply Chain / Logistics is not launched so nothing can be assessed about it yet. Net net other than technical move of SCM system to HANA database there is nothing now. Yes SAP IBP especially Inventory brings in SmartOps EIO capability within its fold but that is not what majority of APO customers have already implemented. On other hand Enterprise Demand Sensing, a recent business process improvement has not seen widespread usage in industry / clients mainly in CPG. So while it’s difficult to predict, but realistically in next 3-5 years APO will rule and even new clients will implement (one of my recent large client is still going for new SAP APO implementation). Assuming SAP comes with full complement of APO capabilities between SAP IBP and S4/HANA in next 5 years there will still be clients running regular APO (non HANA DB) as the product support is till 2025. Considering 5 year timeline there will surely be a significant change coming in this area – whether new APO implementation projects will become zero – tough to make a call but surely going to reduce a lot, with more uptick on SAP IBP and S4/HANA or a combination. With long term future (if you want to remain in handson consulting beyond 5 years) in mind there is no harm is starting to look into and pick up new application capabilities. But to rush into it right now – I am not sure. I would not do it but awareness (by attending SAP Webinar’s, keeping tab on SCN Wiki space, openSAP courses and if possible review the feedback / session transcripts from SAP events attended by SAP product Consultants and customers will be good investment.

If you are interested on the evolution of SCM products then read this blog. Hope to blog further this year based on specific application exploration and potentially what would be in Simple Logistics in S4/HANA.

UPDATE: My POV on Simple Logistics in S/4 HANA outlines APO capabilities long-term embedded into S/4 HANA according to SAP Roadmap.

                Links to SCN spaces for IBP, EIS & S4/HANA added.

                Read this blog in SAP for Chemicals space about SAP APO’s lifetime clarification along with IBP pitch.

DISCLAIMER: Note all above points (especially 7, 8, 9 ) are purely my interpretation based on exploration of public domain information so far. These are NOT to be construed as official or even unofficial product roadmap or future direction.

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      Author's profile photo Hains Roger
      Hains Roger

      Note all above points (especially 7, 8, 9 ) are purely my interpretation based on exploration of public domain information so far. These are NOT to be construed as official or even unofficial product roadmap or future direction.

      Check this out:

      Page 11: LoB Supply Chain road map for SAP S/4HANA Supply chain planning

      Spot on Somnath!!!

      Enhanced ATP in S/4 Hana

      PP/DS in LoB Manufacturing as a Co-deployed solution.

      Rethinking supply chains as Demand Networks (IBP with Demand Planning/Inventory Optimization)

      Plus on SCE side:

      EWM in S/4 Hana replacing LE-WM

      TM in S/4 Hana replacing LE-TRA

      IBP is the way to go as per SAP, funny disclaimer though 🙂

      "This road map represents SAP’s current plan, but is subject to change without any prior notification"



      Author's profile photo Somnath Manna
      Somnath Manna
      Blog Post Author

      Thanks a lot Hains for putting S4/HANA link.

      First time I am seeing it and corroborates my line of thought.

      I am not at all surprised with SAP's disclaimer - that's boilerplate stuff 😀

      Will be blogging on what I think Simple Logistics will be like soon ... gathering my thoughts



      Author's profile photo Somnath Manna
      Somnath Manna
      Blog Post Author

      Added relevant blog link from SAP for Chemicals SCN space.

      Author's profile photo Former Member
      Former Member

      Thanks for the insight Somnath Manna. This was really helpful

      Author's profile photo Rami AbdElFattah Mohamed
      Rami AbdElFattah Mohamed

      I can't find any official information coming from SAP Itself , why no body coming from SAP and say few words to confirm and give the right information directly

      I Saw IBP and S&OP and find it with very limited functionalities !

      Enough confusing us by a lot of information coming from everybody

      Author's profile photo Arvind Pabba
      Arvind Pabba

      Thanks somnath for your valuable information .

      Author's profile photo Chandrashekhar Mahajan
      Chandrashekhar Mahajan

      Nice Blog Somnath Manna !

      is it safe to say that EIS (earlier smartOps) solution will be provided as IBP?

      Author's profile photo Somnath Manna
      Somnath Manna
      Blog Post Author


      Two products of SmartOps Enterprise Demand Sensing and Inventory Optimisation came into IBP Demand and Inventory respectively.



      Author's profile photo Former Member
      Former Member

      Hello Somnath,

      I am confused why is SAP developing IBP & SCM on HANA at the same time? if IBP is a HANA based product then why SCM on HANA?

      Author's profile photo Former Member
      Former Member

      Interesting analysis, and I agree with much of your talking points.  I can see a path forward from DP & SNP into IBP, but my shop is heavily customized into the PPDS space.  Thus far I've not seen anything in the offering that would come close to providing us the necessary functionality to envision a move away from PPDS.

      We probably also have more customizations into TPVS than most – our PPDS product plans play heavily into our shipment creation process.  This leaves us with a gap that might be tough to overcome with the TM/eWM solution without substantial new custom development.

      Of course, this isn't the first time that I've heard SAP call for an "end of life" for an SAP product, and then have to back track their statements. I’ve seen too many products that simply didn't die because they refused to offer a comparable replacement. I’m not a gambler but I’d bet money that we will see 2025 pushed back even further.