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PowerBuilder new release available

Hi folks –

The latest release of PowerBuilder is now available – here If that link does not work, try the main page at SAP Service Marketplace

and search for the product.

This new release is the same as what folks tested in beta, although it has been renamed to be 12.6, which is more aligned with the feature set for the product.

Because the product was built as a major release, it will require a migration of your existing code to this new version.

Best regards

Sue

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      Former Member

      When will it be available for demo download? Will ISUG be allowed to offer free personal use license?

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      The eval version should be available in the next couple of days

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      Former Member

      HI... What about the other part of the question?

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      We will provide ISUG with the same 365 day license for their members for a non-production use version

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      Hi Sue,


      is the trial version of 12.6 available?


      I do have a valid support contract (sinne several months) but have not yet received codes to access SAP site. is there a way to get those directly from SAP?


      Thanks,

      Kari

      Author's profile photo Jacob ZITTOUN
      Jacob ZITTOUN

      Contact the Customer Interaction Centers through Sybase Support (green pane at the right)

      They will help you find your credentials (S-user id)

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      Kari

      We have a new process to post the eval - we are trying to find the right folks who can help us, and it should be up shortly.

      Best regards

      Sue

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      Thanks Sue and Andreas,

      did call the SAP number in the Customer Interaction Centers but  they couldn't find the support agreement on-line so used instead the web-form available from here SAP Service Marketplace - Home

      and from this page find at the bottom "Contact SAP Support" and there "via web form"

      So, early days but lets see what happens.

      Thanks for everyone for the help.

      Kari

      .

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      What does 'soon' mean in SAP speak? It has been two weeks and the Trial is still 12.5. PowerBuilder is still not available to purchase directly from SAP despite several posts that it was being added to the price book soon.

      I'm sure there is some bizarre TOP SECRET reason you can't tell us why but a lot of people are taking the delays to mean that SAP intends to EOL PowerBuilder. Of course at the speed they move, even an EOL would probably take a few years. And I used to think Sybase was too secretive with the PowerBuilder development process. SAP should just transfer PowerBuilder and EAServer to Appeon and be done with it. Go big or go home.

      And the main home page of SAP.com is just horrible. Who ever thought that full size photographs that change every few seconds would make a great background for a business website?

      Author's profile photo David Peace
      David Peace

      Hi Roland

      "And the main home page of SAP.com is just horrible. Who ever thought that full size photographs that change every few seconds would make a great background for a business website?"

      Many thanks for that, the funniest thing I have seen for some time. I went to that page in Firefox, it took 20 seconds to load, flashed the first image then blank screen for a further few seconds for another image to come down. Just made my day 😆

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      >And the main home page of SAP.com is just horrible.


      <facepalm>


      Makes you wonder how many euros were spent on it...

      Author's profile photo David Peace
      David Peace

      Hi Sue

      Many thanks for this information. It this available for use to down load on our account? If so then I'm missing something as I cannot find a download option.

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      Where do you find it in the SAP Service Marketplace?  I cannot imagine a worse design for a website for downloading software!

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      Hi Matt,

      From Home | SAP Support Portal  choose the "Download Software" tile then choose the "installations and updates" tile on that page and you should be able to navigate to the software.

      Regards,

      John

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      David Peace

      Yes I managed to get there in the end...... 🙂

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      Former Member

      Any idea how to reset your S-UserID password? Even though I have downloaded before, I now am told that my marketplace password is wrong... There does not seem to be a way to reset it.

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      Found it!

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      Hello All,

      As a follow-up, you can keep your password and contact info (email and phone nbr)  updated in the SAP MarketPlace for S-Users

      Please refer to the following KBA articles:
      http://service.sap.com/sap/support/notes/1379571

      http://service.sap.com/sap/support/notes/1808560

      Thank you.
      Beverly Duquette

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      Hi Sue,

      I've downloaded the new version but have a problem on install : Symantec Endpoint notifies me that the file PB126.EXE is infected. The installation then finishes but PB126.EXE is not on my computer so can't use PB 12.6 Classic.

      Is it only me or has it been reported by others ?

      Regards,

      Philippe.

      PB126.JPG

      Author's profile photo Shenn Sellers
      Shenn Sellers

      I am getting the Symantec error as well.  But I was able to get around it by adding "PB126.EXE" to the Exceptions list.

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      Did you speak with anyone in support about this? I'll ask support directly as well.

      Author's profile photo Shenn Sellers
      Shenn Sellers

      I didn't speak with anyone in support.

      Author's profile photo Bruce Armstrong
      Bruce Armstrong

      I had AVG report the same thing on iTunes at one point.  Most virus protection programs use heuristic analysis in order to capture variants of know viruses and new viruses.  That leads, on occasion, to false positives.

      Author's profile photo Shenn Sellers
      Shenn Sellers

      I applied my license file that I had generated for PB 12.5.  It accepted it during the installation, but if you open up the program, it thinks I am using an "Evaluation" version.  What gives?

      PB.png

      I also finally figured out to get to my licenses (really complicated) and I upgraded my license to PB 12.6, but even that file still shows as an Evaluation version.

      Author's profile photo Patricia Steinhardt
      Patricia Steinhardt

      Hi Shenn,

      Are you using a served or unserved license?   

      Please open your .lic file with a text editor and upload the contents or at least a snippit of the license that includes the entire line that starts with this:

      "INCREMENT PB_ENTERPRISE SYBASE"

      Also, please add LogSySAM=2 into your pb.ini file located in this directory:

      C:\Users\youruserlogin\AppData\Local\Sybase\PowerBuilder 12.6

      and upload the sysam log file so I can take a look at it?

      Thank You,

      Pat

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      Product Name: pb126GA

      Instance Name: pb126GA

      2014/08/14 09:10:14  Using licenses from: C:\Users\user\AppData\Local\Sybase\PowerBuilder 12.6\PB126.lic

      DesiredEdition=PowerBuilder - EE

      DesiredMode=Standalone

      CO Filter: 'PE=EE;LT=SS'

      CO Feature: 'PowerBuilder'

      CO Version: '2013.0401'

      2014/08/14 09:10:14  Checked out graced license for 1 PowerBuilder (2013.0401) will expire Fri Sep 12 16:09:08 2014.

      2014/08/14 09:10:14  Error (131281): Failed to obtain 1 license(s) for PowerBuilder feature from license file(s) or server(s).

      2014/08/14 09:10:14  Error (131093): License file does not support this version. pb126GA requires a license version of 2013.0401 or greater but only licenses for previous releases are available. If you are entitled to use this version of pb126GA then check for updates at the Sybase Product Download Center and regenerate and deploy your license updates.

      2014/08/14 09:10:14  Error (0): License feature name:  PowerBuilder

      2014/08/14 09:10:14  Error (0): Application version > License version: 2013.0401 > 2010.12250

      2014/08/14 09:10:14  Error (0): License search path:   C:\Users\user\AppData\Local\Sybase\PowerBuilder 12.6\PB126.lic;

      2014/08/14 09:10:14  Error (0): FLEXnet Licensing error:-21,126

      2014/08/14 09:10:14  Error (0): For further information, refer to the Sybase Software Asset Management website at http://www.sybase.com/sysam

      License Verified

      Author's profile photo Jacob ZITTOUN
      Jacob ZITTOUN

      Hello Alexander,

      I guess your .lic file contains this line:

      INCREMENT PB_ENTERPRISE SYBASE 2010.12250

      PB 12.6 is expecting a .lic file with this version: 2013.0401

      Hence the error message:

      License file does not support this version. pb126GA requires a license version of 2013.0401 or greater but only licenses for previous releases are available

      Probably the .lic file has not been updated to support this new version 12.6...

      Jacob

      Author's profile photo Patricia Steinhardt
      Patricia Steinhardt

      Hi Alexander,

      PB Techical Support is looking into this.   For now you should be OK with the evaluation license and this should be resolved shortly,

      Pat

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      I'm a little confused....is this PB15 renamed to 12.6 or just an update to 12.5? If it's the later do you need a sap support plan to get it or just a 12.5 license?

      In any case, could you suply a link to the feature list please.

      regards

      Chris

      Author's profile photo Shenn Sellers
      Shenn Sellers

      You can view the features list in the "What's New" area.

      http://help.sap.com/pb126/

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      This is the same product that was beta tested as v15 but delviered as 12.6. The feature list is unchanged and it will still require a migration.

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      Am I correct that this is a new major version - not a MR like 12.0 to 12.1 was?

      Do all the run time files have 126 in them, pbvm126.dll for example?

      Author's profile photo Shenn Sellers
      Shenn Sellers

      You are correct.

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      Because it was built as a major release, there were code changes that require migrations. The files had been named to include 15 but were changed back to 126

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      Hi Sue,

      Will there be an end-of-support announcement for PowerBuilder 12.0?

      - Karl

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      Yes,  I believe the support for 12.0 was listed as ending end of 2012, but we will extend that thru mid November to align with past Sybase practice of EOM 90days after the newest release

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      So, is this the GA? The way some of these comments read it seems like the GA and some other comments make it seem like another demo/beta drop.

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      GA

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      Thanks, Matt.

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      Is there a new license download page.  I applied my license file that I had generated for PB 12.5.  It accepted it during the installation, but if you open up the program, it thinks I am using an "Evaluation" version. 

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      Patricia Steinhardt

      Miguel,

      You will need a new PB 12.6 license but it cannot be generated yet.   This is a known issue and is being looked into.  You should be fine until then using PB 12.6 in evaluation mode.

      Pat

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      SAP PowerBuilder 12.6, which seams to have the same functionality of SAP PowerBuilder 15.

      1. 1) Is SAP PowerBuilder 12.6 just SAP PowerBuilder 15 renamed? Or is SAP PowerBuilder 15 has more features?
      Author's profile photo Jacob ZITTOUN
      Jacob ZITTOUN

      Miguel,

      answer is just above 😉

      Sue Dunnell Aug 14, 2014 11:41 PM (in response to Christian Kittner)

      This is the same product that was beta tested as v15 but delviered as 12.6. The feature list is unchanged and it will still require a migration.

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      Ok, perfect. I read the answer from sue, but i was still a bit confused  caused she was referring to the 15 beta.  So it safe to assume that this version is has

      • . NET Framework v4.5, MSS 2012,
      • Windows 8 support

      Thanks

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      I do not see anything in the New Features about Oracle 12c support. Is this being supported using ORA?

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      Tom,

      The wiki document is in process of being updated.   Oracle 12c (Oracle 12.1.0.1.0) is supported in PowerBuilder 12.6.

      Beverly Duquette

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      HUZZAH!!!! Thank you!!!!

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      I want to know the URL of the document of updated Wiki.

      Yasuo

      Author's profile photo Jacob ZITTOUN
      Jacob ZITTOUN

      Hello Yasuo,

      Beverly will update this wiki page soon:

      Support for Using PowerBuilder and Oracle - SAP PowerBuilder - SCN Wiki

      HTH

      Jacob

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      Former Member

      Sql Server 2014 supported in 12.6?

      Can Odata be used with sql server - pros & cons?

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      Former Member

      Driver update for SQL Server 2012.  Should work with 2014 but no new features in that release would be available in PB.

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      Sawa Ito

      Hello, Is support for SQL Server 2012 and 2014 in PB 12.6 official in SAP? Will this be mentioned in Wiki or anywhere else? Sawa

      Author's profile photo Bruce Armstrong
      Bruce Armstrong

      >>Hello, Is support for SQL Server 2012

      Support for SQL Server 2012 should be official and noted once they update the docs.

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      Hi Sue and hi everybody,

      Does this version support Windows 8 like Pb15  was supposed to ?

      I don't see it in the new features.

      Guillaume

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      Yes, it supports Windows 8 and 8.1 - I think it's listed in the minimum system requirements section

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      Thanks Sue that's good to hear.

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      Sue - regarding source control...are there changes to the SR files that get created or is the migration just for the PBL? When we went from PB 9 to PB 12.5 we had to check out every object prior to the migrate and then checked back in afterward so the source files were correct to support Unicode (and other reasons).  We always build our PBLS from the source when doing a build.

      Thanks,

      Chris Craft

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      Hi Chris

      Unicode was added in v10 but there haven't been significant changes like that since that time. I will confirm w/engienering to be sure and post back as soon as I hear.

      Best regards

      Sue

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      Patricia Steinhardt

      Hi All,

      You should now be able to generate your PowerBuilder 12.6 licenses.    Please make sure you choose PowerBuilder 12.6.when generating the license.

      After generating, if you open the license with any text editor, you should see this line about half way down, the 2013.04010 is what you are looking for.

      INCREMENT PB_ENTERPRISE SYBASE 2013.04010 permanent

      If you still are having trouble generating a PB 12.6 license, I'd suggest opening a new support incident with the component XX-SER-LIKEY-SYB.

      Pat

      PS.  InfoMaker 12.6 only licenses should be available shortly.  

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      I have not been able to find where I would generate the license on the SAP website.

      Thanks

      Author's profile photo Patricia Steinhardt
      Patricia Steinhardt

      Greg,

      There is a PPT/PDF available that shows all the steps you need to take to generate a license.

      Simplest way to get to the PDF version of this document:

      1 - Go to https://support.sap.com/keys-systems-installations/keys.html

      2 - Click on "How to Request License Keys - SAP Sybase" which should display the document in PDF format.

      Alternately you can get to the PPT version of this document by following these steps:

      1 -Go to http://service.sap.com/licensekey to generate your license keys.

      Steps below to get to the PPT showing how to generate the license

      2 - On the left choose, "Documentation and Helpful Resources"

      3 - Choose the Sybase tab

      4 - You should see a PPT with the title, "How to Request License Keys for SAP Sybase"

      If that doesn't explain it clearly to you, I'd suggest opening a support incident with the component XX-SER-LIKEY-SYB.

      Pat

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      Patricia, it's ok.

      2014/08/19 12:17:06  Using licenses from: C:\Users\AppData\Local\Sybase\PowerBuilder 12.6\PB126.lic

      DesiredEdition=PowerBuilder - EE

      DesiredMode=Standalone

      CO Filter: 'PE=EE;LT=SS'

      CO Feature: 'PowerBuilder'

      CO Version: '2013.0401'

      2014/08/19 12:17:06  Checked out license for 1 PowerBuilder (2013.04010/permanent/16B3 300F 2A1B 6E1A).

      License Verified

      --License Report--

      Product Installed:  Wed Aug 13 16:09:08 2014

      PowerBuilder: 1

      Version: 2013.04010

      Status: OK

      License Expires:  never

      Stat: 0x00000000

      --End License Report--

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      Sue,

      When will it be available for demo download?

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      I am hoping by early next week

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      Hi.

      And where?

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      Sue - Now that 12.6 is released (Yay!) when can we expect PDF functionality to be included?  This one is still killing me.  Just had another reported issue with Win 8.1 and Ghostscript.  I would be willing to take you, Dave and all of the developers out for drinks if they can get this included in 12.6.1! 🙂

      Chris Craft

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      HI Chris

      We are aware of this long standing request but don't have any info now on including this in the product. Will update here if new info becomes available.

      Sue

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      How about Top-Shelf drinks then!

      I can't express it enough - this enhancement was one of the most requested (which I know you don't need to be reminded of).  It is almost embarrassing at this point to tell customers we don't have built in support for PDF and that they must use Ghostscript to get it to work.  Our customers have locked down most programs from being installed on users PC's so this always generates the phone call saying 'I cannot save as PDF'.  There are also security issues with printers being auto installed on workstations and with Win 8.1 they have stopped any unsigned printer driver from being installed unless you go through security settings to allow it.

      Anyway, I REALLY hope they can get this addressed otherwise I will start my Dump Ghostscript campaign on Causes.com (OK - just joking there 😛 ).

      Thanks again Sue,

      Chris Craft

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      Can we expect localized runtime files (Dutch) for this version?

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      Any update to rich text editor control?

      Is it updated to the latest version? What version of rich text is being bundled with v12.6?

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      Shenn Sellers

      It is still version 15.

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      The local PowerBuilder distributor has just told me that the End Of Maintenance and removal from the Product Availability Matrix for version 12.6 is July 2017. Given the gestation period for this extremely limited release, with that date there can be no confidence that SAP has any intention of developing PowerBuilder any further.

      As there is no visible roadmap for PowerBuilder and no visible official statement of support or future availability, can anyone tell me why we should continue to use PowerBuilder, especially as we work towards re-engineering our 16 year old PB application?

      Sue? Care to comment?

      Paul

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      my God ....

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      Hi Paul

      SAP always announces an end of maintenance period for each new version at the time of its release. Sybase never did that and always announced a pending EOL 90 days in advance for tools and 1 yr in advance for server products. You'll also see that 12.5.2 has an EOM date of Aug 2015 and that is per SAP practice as well of having 2 overlapping versions available for 1 yr. During our integration, dates were entered incorrectly for EAServer, and so we recently extend EAS EOL for Windows, Solaris, and Linux thru July 2016.

      I will share all new information as soon as it becomes available.

      Best regards

      Sue

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      Hi Sue.

      As you mentioned EAS, what is going with it? The product will continue, or clients will be pushed to other solutions?

      Also it would be really interesting for us, powerbuilder developers, to have some info about powerbuilder future. V. 15 was renamed to v 12.6. I think it's the first time we seen an announced product (with a beta release) changing version number. Personally I believe that the new version doesn't provide enough improvements - new futures to justify a version number like 15. This of course is my humble opinion. Of course I'm still supporting the product by using it, and as we have a support plan (but facing many problems here in Greece with contracts migration to SAP - we have pb, 2 x ASE, ASA under support and still waiting for our customer id) we will use the new release. But I really believe, as many other have said in so many posts, that we need some points to make us confident to sap and powerbuilder. And until now, personally, I can't say I feel confident.

      Andreas.

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      EAServer will be supported through July of 2016 and then customers will need to migrate to other solutions.  As mentioned in another post, SAP announces an EOM date when a product is released to market; this and other support policies were designed with the original SAP ERP customer base's needs in mind and it's a practice that all newer products have also been included in over time. I will continue to put all information here as it becomes available; we don't have other plans for PowerBuilder at this time.

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      Shenn Sellers

      we don't have other plans for PowerBuilder at this time.

      Does this mean for right now?  Or for the foreseeable future?  😯

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      Well I agree that no news and no Plans are bad news, especially if you dig into the SAP
      Development process.

      After GA of the new product  I would expect the next requirements “roll-in”  the nomination of “stakeholders”. The renaming of PB15 back to 12.6 was explained as lack of new features so what should be the Breaking New Things for PB 15? Web GUI with HTML5/SAPUI5 ? Well I'm just dreaming…

      I did not find a Roadmap or a release strategy The PB is attached to the Mobile Sector / Mobile Platform,

      SAP-Powerbuilder 12.6.jpg

      this Roadmap is still missing. It seems to be the only missing roadmap.

      Mobile Roadmap.jpg

      http://service.sap.com/saproadmaps

      http://service.sap.com/releasestrategy

      http://service.sap.com/rollin

      I did not find the PB on the SAP Product Availability Matrix see http://service.sap.com/pam

      I hope that the promise from Dec. PBUGG Meeting in Walldorf is still true that a SAP
      released versions got support for 8 Years, so time starts ticking now.

      EDIT:

      Found the maintenance date, for now that is 3 years for sure only...

      PN126_Maintain.jpg

      Regards,

           Marco

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      Paul,

      my two cents:

      I also have looked at other options  (e.g. Oracle's JDeveloper)  but as good they are (and JDeveloper is really good! ) PB has enabled us to do things that would require X (=being a larger number)  times more resources to do the same with any other tool.

      One can only hope that the "Product Availability Matrix for version 12.6 is July 2017" means that PB gets new versions in 2015,2016, ....

      At the same time, I agree that a roadmap would be nice, but as we have waited some time for version 12.6, in our case - we can wait a little bit more.

      Kari

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      Hi Kari.

      The product is really good for client server applications... The problem is about confidence. Information about future release and future plans should be available as soon as possible. As you said, if we have a new release in 2015 and another one in 2016 then the EOL isn't so important. But the question is: what happens if there isn't another version until 2017?

      Andreas.

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      Hi Karl,

      I've been looking at other tools but it's modern techniques that are missing - generics, dependency injection, parameterised constructors and so on. I've been trying to work out how to do MVC with PowerBuilder and the way seems to be to exclude the datawindow (heresy!) outside the Model, and then PowerScript alone just doesn't cut it.

      Please don't misunderstand me, I worked for Powersoft and Sybase and was a PB instructor, as was Lars who sits next to me now. Our two colleagues have their entire programming career invested in PowerBuilder. Absolutely the last thing we want is to see PowerBuilder go away, we'd much, much, much rather carry on using it.

      However, our application is old and tired and needs re-invigorating. We've started a 12 month process of requirements gathering and making architecture decisions. Retraining is on the cards and we will use the best tool for the job. At the moment that isn't PowerBuilder.

      Andreas is quite correct. It's all about confidence. I mean no disrespect but are you really prepared to bet the success of  your business on "One can only hope...."? We aren't, and way too many other PowerBuilder shops are feeling the same way. SAP are saying "we'll tell you about the future at some point in the future". Sorry SAP, we're planning for the future today.

      If SAP don't do something soon to regain the trust and especially the confidence of the PB community it will continue to drift away. Personally I believe that to be SAPs intention. Just like Sybase before them, PB was secondary in the purchase of what they really wanted, the Mobility business and iAnywhere. The only value of to them of PB in the acquisitions was as a foot in the door to the legion of Oracle sites that use it. They have no intrinsic interest in a Windows development tool and if you think about it, are they really going to invest the considerable sum of money required to bring PowerBuilder up to today's expectations of such tools? I can't see it myself.

      SAP must announce categorically their intentions with PowerBuilder, even if they are planning to discontinue it. To prolong the present drifting and uncertainty is simply demonstrating the contempt for their customers for which they are so well known.

      Enough, Paul

      BTW Visual Studio developers have much the same problem with Microsoft's apparent lack of drive with WPF.

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      Paul and Lars,

      yes, I agree with you on most points. At the same time, our application is client/server - there  just isn't a need e.g. a browser or mobile version, that is the nature of the application / business. Where we have had a need for thin client solutions we have used tools like 2x or  Citrix that has enabled us to offer our product/solution as a service (SaaS).

      I dont think we are alone here, many PB applications have been developed to do and support a specific business related task, within an organisation.

      A couple years ago we did start to move the application to another platform, but after a while stopped as  we realised that it would have taken us years to get where we are currently. Hence we took e.g. 2x route and that allowed us to have traditional client/server offering as well as a thin client solution.

      As an example, doing an update using a stored procedure from a java(JDeveloper) tool requies a little bit of coding , in PB and datawindow the "coding" is almost non-existing - one just tells the DW what procedure to use. 

      As a personal comment, MVC is fine but when we have world class database products that can help us, why do we need  to code everything from scratch to the middle layer and in worst case use the database as a dumb flat file storage?

      So, in summary - for us - we continue to develop our solution with PB (classic) and when there is a need to do e.g. something web-based, we use other tools. 

      PB then serves as a reference application as our business logic is coded into Oracle database. We would like to think that our solution is 3-tier, as the application has none of the business logic in it , everything is in the database. The application just helps and supports the users to do their work in the best possible way.

      At the same time, SAP should make a clear statement either way - it is the uncertainty that is the worst.

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      Hi,

      Does anyone know if there is a PB 12.6 tutorial?

      Thank

      Ian

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      I got the feeling the blue one is PowerBuilder, end of Life Cycle is near.

      Stage 5 is coming.

      Product Life Cycle

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      Former Member

      When is SAP going to add PowerBuilder to it's price list so new users can purchase it? Don't kill PowerBuilder!

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      David Peace

      Hi Chris

      That really is the burning question! Ironically SAP cannot sell PB but we at Powersoft can. Where is the commercial sense in that!? 😆

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      Former Member

      Price list or not: They sell it through their distributors.

      I just talked with my distributor. He sells PowerBuilder and you get the download link.

      PB12.6 is available there!

      PBdownload.jpg

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      Former Member

      And why they don't put it to the e-shop as they do for other products?

      Andreas.

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      Former Member

      Hi Chris;

         The fact that SAP have not put it into the SAP Price Book way before now should tell you something. The price book would mean a minimum 8 year commit to the product - right?  😉

      Regards ... Chris

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      Marco Sensken

      This was my intension with my reply  (http://scn.sap.com/community/developer-center/powerbuilder/blog/2014/08/12/powerbuilder-new-release-available#comment-522591) to Sue's post.

       

      Mainstream Maintenance for PB 12.6 will end 31.07.2017 and we see no further planning’s. So what means this for the warm words that SAP will Support "Official" Products for 8 years? BTW: The name under"Product:" in the Screenshot is still "SYBASE Powerbuilder" while the "Official Name:" is SAP Powerbuilder 12.6.

      So a clear SAP statement is missing, we are just guessing...

      Regards

         Marco

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      Former Member

      I think part of the problem is that SAP is a huge company and all changes to the website have to go through IT and get prioritized along with all their other projects. The product center doesn't have the ability to make any changes. That is why the product name is inconsistent.

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      I was hopeful for PB's future when SAP bought Sybase but now I am starting to see similarities with CA's acquisition of Nantucket's Clipper back in the day. Has you probably remember, that didn't turn out well for Clipper either. 🙁 I will keep my fingers crossed.

      Best Wishes,

      Chris Daugherty

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      Former Member

      Installed PB12.6 yesterday. Has anyone reported this issue before:

      Please restart IDE: The cryptography module loaded incorrectly. The password for the database and application server profiles will be lost.

      This appears in statusbar when I create SNC database profile.

      Of course IDE as well as computer were restarted multiple times.

      Windows Server 2008 SP2

      PB 12.5 installed and works fine on the same computer.

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      Former Member

      looks like this is CR#753290, but restart doesn't help

      Author's profile photo Bruce Armstrong
      Bruce Armstrong

      You should start a new thread and ask that question there.

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      Former Member

      Hello, i'm using PowerBuilder since v6.5 for my own business. I own a regular license for PB 12.5 that i can still handle using the old sybase product download center site, but i havent purchased support.

      I'm reading that to download the eval version of the new PB 12.6 i need to do it from the SAP Martkplace, but it's not clear where and how i should get a new account to access it and download the eval.

      Could someone please help me?

      tia

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      Former Member

      They haven't put up an eval of 12.6. The eval is still 12.5.

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      Former Member

      thanks roland

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      Former Member
      Blog Post Author

      We are in the process of posting the eval - I think it should be ready Tues or Wed

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      Former Member

      Hi,

      Can't find it (The Eval) 🙁

      Regards

      Georgios

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      Former Member

      No surprise, it didn't happen.

      Author's profile photo Arnd Schmidt
      Arnd Schmidt

      Think positive! The next Tue / Wed will come in the future.

      Only the end of world, the final Armageddon will be the end of PowerBuilder!

      PowerBuilder! We know you are alive. Come to my hard disk, chickchickchick. 😛

      uuupss.. already there?! 🙂

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      Former Member

      It is there now . See Sue's other post

      only 40 days of delay 🙂

      Happy coding

      /Georgios

      Author's profile photo Arnd Schmidt
      Arnd Schmidt

      I will start the evaluation in ... a couple of days  😉