SAP Business Planning and Consolidation 10.1 NW FAQs
SAP Business Planning and Consolidation 10.1 NW is generally available. Below are some collected frequently asked questions, I hope they can give you some basic ideas about our most recent release.
About BPC 10.1 NW
Q: What’s major changes delivered with BPC 10.1 NW?
A:
- Entire web client has been rebuilt with HTML5 technology.
- A brand new ‘Embedded’ (formerly referred to as a ‘Unified‘) model which is able to consume EDW data model of BW by integration with BW-PAK.
The original BPC data model based on the the former BPC 10.0 release is now called a ‘Standard’ (formerly referred to as a ‘Classic‘) model.
Q: What are the differences between the Embedded and Standard models?
A: Standard model is same data model as BPC 10.0 (as well as BPC 7.5) which is account model ( AKA data mart model). Embedded model is an integrated of BPC with BW-PAK( HANA accelerated version of IP), it’s mainly about leveraging IT centric EDW model with BPC business oriented features.
Q: Is it possible to implement both Embedded and Standard models on the same system?
A: Yes, it’s can be installed on the same system and access with same web logon URL.
Q: Does BPC 10.1 supports Hebrew language?
A: Both Hebrew and Arabic language are supported with BPC 10.1 in web interface and EPM add-in.
Q: Is there any integration between a BPC Embedded model and a BPC Standard model?
A: Integration is consider to be done via BPC/BW customizing which could probably be delivered through content delivery ( like RDS) as a short term approach.
About Installation
Q: What is the BW release required for BPC 10.1?
A: Minimum BW release is BW 7.40 SP5 for both BPC 10.1 Embedded and Standard.
Q: Is HANA DB mandatory for BPC 10.1?
A: BPC 10.1 Standard supports both HANA DB and none-HANA DB. BPC 10.1 Embedded only supports HANA DB.
Q: Which HANA SP is required for BPC 10.1?
A: BW 7.40 SP5 requires HANA SP7, so HANA SP7 is required for BPC 10.1 as well.
Q: Is software component CPMBPC required to be installed if customer is only using BPC 10.1 Embedded?
A: No, if only BPC 10.1 Embedded is to be used, installing SAP_BW is sufficient. CPMBPC ( as well as HANABPC) is only required to be installed when BPC Standard is to be used.
About BPC 10.1 NW Embedded
Q: Will BPC Embedded model have all the capabilities which BPC NW and BW-IP/PAK today?
A: Functions on BPC Embedded model will be delivered gradually in continuous support packages. The ultimate target to deliver a product with combination of benefits from both BPC and BW-IP/PAK. Functions like calculated member, custom measureare planned to be replaced by calculated key figure or restricted key figure.
Q: What’s the cost for existing BPC customer to move to this Embedded model?
A: The Standard model (existing BPC clients) and Embedded model (BW-IP/PAK based) are built on different paradigms (Account based vs Multiple Key Figure). Customers on existing BPC NW 7.X/10.0 platform should consult SAP Services or a BPC consulting partner to engage in an assessment in terms of moving to the Embedded model. Development is currently investigating options for existing customers if they choose to move to the new model type (this is optional)
Q: What’s the cost for existing BW-IP/PAK customer to migrate to the new Embedded model?
A: BW-IP/PAK customers can easily reuse their existing modeling in BW, with some additional customizing they are can also leverage new functions
coming from BPC. Of course, customer need to re-define report in EPM add-in if they want to leverage EPM add-in as standard reporting UI. Existing BW-IP customers will need to purchase BPC NW and SAP HANA licenses to leverage the Embedded model. PAK customers will already have purchased BPC NW and SAP HANA licenses and will not require additional licenses (beyond additional users).
coming from BPC. Of course, customer need to re-define report in EPM add-in if they want to leverage EPM add-in as standard reporting UI. Existing BW-IP customers will need to purchase BPC NW and SAP HANA licenses to leverage the Embedded model. PAK customers will already have purchased BPC NW and SAP HANA licenses and will not require additional licenses (beyond additional users).
Q: What’s the cost for existing SEM-BPS customer to migrgae to this unfiied model?
A: Migration procedure would be similar as migration SEM-BPS to BW-IP/PAK, effort would also be similar.
Q: Will BPC Embedded model also have consolidation capability?
A: The plan is for consolidation functionality to be delivered in the near future through a support pack. Before that, customer could do planning on Embedded model and consolidation on a standard model.
Q: Will BPC Embedded Model still be able to be owned by Business?
A: While the Embedded Model typically requires some IT involvement, the plan is to continue to enhance the usability for Finance/business users.
Q: Is script logic supported with BPC 10.1 Embedded ?
A: NO. FOX script shall be used in BPC 10.1 Embedded for calculation.
About BPC 10.1 NW Standard
Q: What is the future of BPC Standard model?
A: The BPC Standard model continues to be supported and will have investments thus providing customers with two modelling paradigms (Standard and Embedded ) within the BPC NW solution.
Q: Is BPC 10.0 Environment supported in BPC 10.1?
A: Yes. BPC 10.0 environment is well supported in BPC 10.1 Standard, and migration from BPC 10.0 to BPC 10.1 Standard is very straight forward.
About EPM Add-In
Q: Which EPM add-in shall be used for BPC 10.1
A: EPM add-in 10.0 SP16 onwards.
Q: What are the main changes in the EPM add-in?
A: It supports reporting on Embedded model through directly consumption of BEx query.
Hi William Yu..
Thanks for Nice information,
Good to know Unified model also available on consolidation, it seems slowly downgrade BPC classic model?
Thanks
Rao
Hi Rao,
As said, it's NOT yet available.
Best regards, William
Hi William,
Thanks for sharing the information. Very useful.
Thanks,
Shiva
Hi William,
Nice Q&A.
Regarding Fox Scripts for calculations, is Fox Script completely going to replace Script Logic?
yogi
Hi Yogi,
FOX script will be for BPC 10.1 unfiied, script logic is not supported in unified. But BPC 10.1 classic only support script logic same as in previous version of BPC.
Best regards, William
Thanks for the quick response.
yogi
Hi William,
Thanks for sharing the information.
Few questions
1. Does the unified model supports FIM integration
2. Consolidation in Unified model - this is interesting. Are we talking about SEM - BCS capabilities in BPC Unified?
3. Will there be difference between BPC unified consolidation and BPC classic consolidation?
Regards
Deepesh Kumar
Hi Deepesh,
To you question:
1. For unified model, FIM integration is going through FIM/BW integration. 2
2. There is no more detail about Consolidation on unified can be revealed at this moment.
Best regards, William
Hi William,
what functionalities of BPC 10.1 Classic are pushed back from the application layer to Hana?
e.g. Are script logics and business rules executed entirely by Hana ?
Thanks,
Rémy
Hi Remy,
Currently disaggregation, allocation script( not all script logic keywords), member formula and reporting logic are pushed to HANA layer for BPC 10.1 classic.
Execution of Business rules is not yet in HANA.
Best regards, William
Thanks William,
is there a plan in the BPC classic roadmap to push all script logic keywords and business rules in Hana layer?
If not yet, I ask for it as scripts and business rules are often the slowest part of the process. Thanks.
Regards, R.
Hello William,
Thanks for providing the information w.r.to details around unified and classic components.
Wanted some clarification on few of the points you have made in the blog
1. You mentioned Unified and Classic can both be installed in the same system and can be accessed using the same URL....does it mean at any given point of time only one of the variants can be used????? or is it possible to have mixed scenarios such as few planning functions within an application/appset using Unified and other using Classic version???
2. You mentioned the models in BW-IP/PAK can be re-used in Unified version, do you have any reference documents or details on how the objects from BW-IP can be ported into Unified version effectively??? or do we have to recreate the objects in Unified version??
3. What if we have objects in BPC 10.0 NW, and we install classic version on BW 7.4 SP05....along with HANABPC component....am assuming the objects will continue to work as is......at this point of time if I enable the Unified version as I have migrated to HANA DB...will the classic version based BPC objects stop working???
Appreciate your response on the same.
Thanks
Dharma
Hi Dharma,
1. Separation of BPC unified and classic is on the Environment level, when connecting, user is connected to an environment.
2. Please refer to our online help or RKT learning map materials.
3. No, both BPC classic and unified can work perfectly in parellel on the same HANA DB.
Best regards, William
Hello William,
I have one question regarding BW-IP Planning Functions and Planning Sequences.
How can I execute an IP-Planning function (e.g. Revaluation or Distribution by key) with the EPM-Add-In in BPC 10.1. unified?
I was wondering about a SAP demonstration using Analysis Office for executing standard planning functions. Is this maybe limited with the EPM-Add-In??
Thank you in advance for your response!
Best regards,
Liridon
Hi Liridon,
It's also possible to execute planning functions with EPM add-in with very similar way as AO.
Best regards,Wiliam
Hi William,
thanks a lot for your quick response!
Could you please explain a little more in detail or give me a hint for a document or smth similar where I can find more details?
Thank you!
Best regards,
Liridon
Hi Liridon,
If you go to BPC 10.1 RKT training website you can find some more detail.
Best regards, William
Hi William
Is BPC 10.0 NW and BPC 10.1 NW Classic identical? If so, does it mean that when a new SP for BPC 10.0 NW is released it is rebranded and used as a SP for BPC 10.1 NW Classic?
Or are there differences in functionality between the two versions?
Regards
Dewald
Hi Dewald,
No, BPC 10.0 NW is not exactly the same with BPC 10.1 Standard (previous named as classic). The client is totally new rebuilt via html5 as William said, so the client part of a SP for BPC 10.1 is absolutely differnt with BPC NW 10.0; besides, BPC 10.1 is also improving the functionalities based the product roadmap and project plan, so for backend, the content of SP is also different. But, any fixes which are done in BPC NW 10.0, if valid for 10.1, will be upported to BPC NW 10.1 as part of the SP.
Thanks,
Yolanda
Hi William,
Is there no future plan for Classic Model to be able to use normal SAP BW InfoProviders just like the Unified Model?
I can't quite see the reason behind why it's currently possible on Unified Model on Hana only, while both models are based on SAP BW.
Might be a little rude of me, but it's just seems more like a marketing/lawyer decision rather than technical reason.
Best Regards,
Donnie
SAP subtle way to "invite" its customers to deploy HANA
Q: Will BPC unified model also have consolidation capability?
A: The plan is for consolidation functionality to be delivered in the near future through a support pack. Before that, customer could do planning on unified model and consolidation on classic model.
Customer asking - Is there any dates for this?
Other than SAP wanting to force people to HANA, why does Unified model require HANA?
Does 10.1 have any improvements with security where we just have the standard SAP security model to deal with? Would these improvements only be on the Unified model?
Hi william ,
Very useful FAQ on BPC NW 10.1 version , Thank you for sharing this info
Thank you very much for nice information.
Hi William,
Great FAQ! One of my customers is interested in BPC NW, but requires Consolidation functionality. You mentioned that a support pack would be released for this .. Any insights on when this is expected, as well as the level of change impact this would entail ?
Thanks and regards,
Andy (R Anand)
Hi Andy,
According to our roadmap, it's planed for this year end or early next year. Of course, the plan is subject to change.
Best regards, William
thank you William, Without console, most of customers are not interested to move BPC 10.1 since sap habituated Planning & Console in same product.
But for BPC standard still supports both planning and consolidation in BPC 10.1 NW. The upgrade is straight forward.
Offcourse, who wants move embedded and classic BCS customers and new implementations..
Thanks William... that is the answer I was looking for. For now, my customer is in the preliminary stages, so its good to have expected timelines. I guess one option would be to leverage embedded only as needed, since I believe the two approaches can coexist.
Regards,
Andy
Hi
I would like to know if the BPC 10.1 UNIFIED MODEL allow the distribution and collection of bpc reports as the bpc classic.
In few words my question is: Can I upload in BPC UNIFIED MODEL an offline input form?
thanks
Michele
Hello,
I would like to know if you can install the BPC 10.1 NW Embedded in an already production ERP based in HANA?
It is supported?
Regards,
Andres S.
Hi Andres,
From software component side, BPC 10.1 NW Embedded code is delivered with BW 7.40. Which means for ECCon HANA system, it's already NW/BW 7.40 SP >= SP05. It already has BPC 10.1 NW embedded installed.
Best regards, William
Thanks William. About performance it is supported to use BPC inside the ERP in a production system? For a client that wants to use the BW+BPC in the same ERP is efficient?
Hi Andres,
This is a typical 'Embedded BW' case, no BW ETL is supposed to be used in this case.
Best regards, William
Hi William,
Few questions:
1. I heard that SAP BPC 10.1 Standard (NW version) can still run without BW seemingly with file loads. Is that possible?
2. Can we have MS version now and later switch back to NW version?
3. If the answer to 1 is Yes, then can BPC 10.1 sit on BW 7.3 (SP4)?
Reg
Deb
Debanshu,
Please see responses below.
1. I heard that SAP BPC 10.1 Standard (NW version) can still run without BW seemingly with file loads. Is that possible?
- BPC NW cannot run without BW. BW is the backend for SAP BPC NW (any version) where your entire planning objects gets created (Dimension, Models, etc). But yes you may choose to select Flat files as the source of data to BPC. You can have data extracted from any legacy system in flat files and load it to BPC. Ideal data flow is ECC->BW->BPC in any project with SAP as source system or Legacy-> BW-> BPC with non sap source system. Flat files as a data source to BPC directly is always available.
2.Can we have MS version now and later switch back to NW version?
- Migration from cross BPC platforms (MS to NW and NW to MS) has always been challenging and high on efforts. There are no standard migration path available for cross platforms migration. As SQL server and BW are totally different platforms, migrations often don't work that great and is not advisable also. Best option is to evaluate the use case , long term vision along the BPC NW and MS capabilities and make a choice. In general if you have SAP source systems NW offers more capabilities and freedom with BW data staging, process chains and ABAP BADI for complex calculations. Additionally NW has HANA support which MS lacks. Choice of NW or MS is purely use case based.
3. If the answer to 1 is Yes, then can BPC 10.1 sit on BW 7.3 (SP4)
- BPC 10.1 requires BW 7.40 SP5 as minimum.
Hope it clarifies your doubts.
Regards
Nikhil
Thanks a lot Nikhil.
That answers my questions..
So basically, BW is mandatory for any BPC NW version and if we want planning and consolidation both, we need to go for 10.1 NW Standard version as Embedded version doesn't support consolidation...
Is this understanding correct?
Yes Debanshu,
For the moment speaking BPC 10.1 standard can only support both planning and consolidation. There are plans to support consolidation going forward on unified too but as said its only on plans and nothing is available to comment on availability dates.
Regards
Nikhil
Hi
Consolidation tab is not visible when i connect to unified environment .
What are authorizations required to enable consolidation tab in Unified environment.
Please suggest
Hi Khaleel,
Consolidation is not supported with BPC 10.1 Embedded.
Only BPC 10.1 Standard model supports consolidation at this time.
Thanks,
PS: Stop using the unified/classic terms as they are no longer used. The new terms are embedded/standard
Consolidation is now supported in the Embedded Model
http://service.sap.com/sap/support/notes/2240898
Is the capital project starter kit available in 10.1?
Free RDS content: https://service.sap.com/public/rds-epm-planning
Free training: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/?sm=xUIYbvCHjVsuIBCj3k%2brpg%3d%3d
Yes. The Extended Financial Planning rapid-deployment solution includes:
- G/L Financial Planning
- Strategic Financial Planning
- Capital Planning
BPC 10.1 NW Standard/Classic - no charge for the content
Free RDS training available by registering above
Hi all,
It have been 2 years from this post and i have still the same question: we are about to start a Project and still the decision to choose BPC standard or Embedded its not straight. Our BW version is 7.5 SP 02, what are good recomendations to decide well, not only thinking about using same master data, final user facilities, but about SAP BPC roadmap, what would be SAP recommendation ? what model is going to be maintained strong in future ? can we today after 2 years do same thins using standard or embedded?
Any help would be grateful and i am sure i am not the only want ...
Thanks,
CarlosE
Hi CarlosE,
Both BPC standard and Embedded model have strong future in our roadmap.
Best regards, William
Hi William Yu,
Thanks you so much for this awesome information, My client want to use BPC but according to their requirement they want a planing system which support below given things
1- SYSTEM SHOULD SUPPORT on below given plateform
2-SOFTWARE SHOULD WORK ON BELOW GIVEN BROWSER
FIREFOX
CHROME
SAFARI
INTERNET EXP 11
3-SYSTEM have ability for attachments of supporting documents(PDF&MS word and excel).
4- User can access the system ,Integrated with microsoft active directory for single sign-on for client server or web access.
Now i want to use SAP BPC 10.1 NetWeaver Standard version but confused that this version is going to support above given client requirement or not ..
I searched few document like https://support.sap.com/dam/library/ssp/infopages/pam-essentials/BPC_101_NW.pdfbut there also i have not found any particular answer .
Please help ..
Thanks,
Ravi
I would like to know if I want to Isolate BPC component from BW 7.5 on HANA DB rev 122 and install it separately on NW 7.5 with only BPC component on HANA DB rev 122 or latest?
If so, what should be the architecture or are there any guides that can be useful to install BPC on HANA?
Thank you for your suggestion in advance!
Regards,
Bilal
Hi William,
We are starting to use HANA analytic/calculation views and stored procedures called from script (via a Badi) to take advantage of the processing speed of HANA. While this is an option, it does take away from the idea of using a business logic language such as script to process data. With this in mind, what are SAP's plans to leverage script so it runs on HANA and thus provides a more standard approach to achieving the performance benefits of HANA? We appreciate that the run allocation keyword has made this leap, but what about the others?
Thanks,
Graham