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Since I started SAP trainings in my free time, I do get lot of “Friend” requests on my personal mail from people who are anxious to say ‘Hello’ or to ask some technical help or general advice about their SAP career. Few days back, it was from a lady from Bengaluru, India (Erstwhile Bangalore). The lady did her Bachelors in Commerce & MBA, and worked for 3 years before getting married and since then is a home maker. Now she wanted to begin her career again


When she contacted me, her voice was not audible enough. But all I could pick up from the conversation was what I have written above. She added she has been trained in SAP FICO a year back, but she is not clear with many concepts and wanted me to help her so that she can be ready for the interviews. Since she had no prior SAP FICO experience, I said teaching you Controlling module will be tough and put her in touch with my wife who deals in SAP FI module related topics.


What transpired next between both of them, I would share in a summarized form.


The candidate had no interest whatsoever in learning any SAP topic. She just wanted my wife to help her fake during the interviews. She wanted to know about the SAP implementations that have happened in some 4 to 5 companies, what was the business requirement in those projects, challenges and how they were addressed, etc. For all of these, our Hyderabad has coined a new word, “Live Projects”. Those who don’t know what this means, would have understood after reading this blog till now.


My wife, Kavita, put forth few questions to her.


Kavita: Why do you want to do this? Do you know the consequences if you are caught?

Caller: I know it is wrong. But don’t worry. There are HR consultancy firms. They charge 300,000 INR and they take care of everything. They will cover for you


Kavita: Do you think it is right?

Caller: I know it is not. But I have 3 friends, who did the same. They are getting salary of 900,000 INR p.a. and plus they are sitting on bench for the last 9 months. What a life they are having!!


Kavita: You wanted to enjoy married life, so you quit a job that you were having. Now having enjoyed it for 3 years, all of a sudden you had a realization about your career, and you want to be at the same level at which you should have been by now, if you were working all these years. What about those who are working since then, don’t you think you will be doing injustice to the candidates who are genuine?

Caller: I have some financial problems, so I am in need of a Job. Everybody is asking for experience, so I have no choice


Kavita: If you want a job, I can help you. I can teach you, send your CV to many companies wherever I have contacts. But why do you want to fake?

Caller: I know I can get a job if I wait for few months. But the salary will not be good. And I need money now


Kavita: Do you have kids?

Caller: Yes, I do, a Son

Kavita: Then with what face will you teach him that Honesty is the best policy

Caller: I know it is wrong, but I cant help it


Kavita: Tomorrow if a robber does robbery in your house and gives the same reasoning then he is also justified. Right?

Caller: Can you help me or not?

Kavita: If you want to learn the subject, you are at the right place. If you want to fake, you are knocking at the wrong door.


When she came for lunch, was very disturbed after this conversation. She said if someone has financial problems, there are Banks who give personal loans. But people are more interested in faking up their CVs, than living by right means and doing hard work. I wondered what the Comparison, Desperation and Eagerness is leading the people to.


My wife said even the companies are at fault. Everyone wants a candidate who is experienced and no one wants to invest in freshers. This eventually forces people to resort to some means and eventually they get into the same companies who were trying to avoid them as freshers. But then, my memory took me back to my earlier days and I shared with her a story about Birbal, the famous minister in the court of Emperor Akbar, who was known for his wit.


There happened to be an officer in Akbar’s court who was caught being corrupt. The man cleverly blamed Akbar when produced in front of him. He said you don’t care about your subjects, you don’t know our problems and how we suffer each day. We are in great misery and forced to resort to corruption.


Birbal suggested to Akbar that if your subjects are not happy in your rule, it is your fault and you cant punish him for that. Birbal asked this man to sit at the sea shore and count the no of waves in the sea, as a small punishment. After a month, both Akbar and Birbal disguised as fishermen and went upto this man sitting at the shore to ask for an address.


The man yelled at them saying he was doing an important job of counting the waves, which was important to form a strategy to attack the enemy nation. Because they disturbed in between, he forgot the count and now the emperor will hang both of them. The two fishermen asked for forgiveness and the man struck a deal for 500 gold coins.


Moral of the story is if someone is corrupt at roots, they will find an opportunity even if you put them in a job that is worth nothing. Honesty is something that is not defined by the circumstances.


There was a gentleman in my team in my previous company. He had so called experience of 3 years in Product costing. When we gave him the orientation about our project and the T codes that we use, he came up with an Einstein type question. Guess what!  And the question was “What is a T Code?

We knew he has faked up his CV and we tried to help him for 2 yrs and taught him all that we could. After 2 years he was fired for non-performance.

When the manager gave him feedback about his performance rating of 4 (the lowest) and explained the consequences of it, he came out of the room with his chest size bulged up. He asked one of my colleagues about his rating. He said, “I got 1” (the highest). This poor fellow became further happy saying “I got a bigger rating than you” (i.e. 4 > 1). Because the manager talked to him in English, he could not even make out that the manager explained to him that he will have to quit the Job. I leave it to the forum to decide how we got into the job in the 1st place.

This brings us to the question, who is (are) at fault?  – The clients running on SAP who insist on the BEST possible “Race Horse” ->  The IT companies who hire a “Pony” and morph them as a ” Race Horse” -> The Job consultancy firms who find a “Donkey” and showcase them as a “Pony” or the Donkey himself / herself who is not sure who he / she is and what they want to do in life.

The ultimate sufferer in this whole chain is the client, till the time the fake cv is caught and then the fake CV, once it is caught. However, the clients are big enough to absorb some big  shocks, but we as an individual don’t have that capacity, because for us a shock in this situation would mean lack of economic support to our families and disrepute to our own selves.

It is one man’s greed that leads to corrupting the whole eco system and this is how a chain reaction works.

The IT companies want to improve their margins, by hiring folks at lower salaries -> People at lower salary means people with lower experience – > Hire people with lower experience -> Make them eat the food in a day which one can eat in four years and just vomit in front of the client during remote telephonic call from offshore -> The Job consultancy firms come to know that the hiring companies are cheating, so why be honest?

If one man’s greed has the capability to corrupt the whole eco system, then surely, one right / honest / mature decision would also have an equal potency, if not less, to improve the whole eco system. So, the buck has to stop here, and the Sr. SAP Consultants who are in a capacity to select their team members from with in the same organization, should not bluntly reject someone for lack of experience in a given SAP Module or Sub-module. Rather use your experience to assess whether the candidate is capable enough to ramp-up soon


Thank you for reading this blog. I look forward to your valuable feedback on the same.


Br. Ajay Maheshwari


PS: I dedicate this blog to one of the new faces in SAP, who with sheer zeal and hard work could feature (and is still there) in the Top 10 contributors list in SAP ERP Financials. And despite that, was refused a project because of lack of experience in one of the Sub modules of SAP FICO

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  1. Jitendra Kansal

    Hi Ajay,

    I really like that story. I hope people should stop being so fake and important thing is they should understand and realize what could be the consequences of doing such stuff. I am sure this honest conversation summary would give a right direction to everybody.

    Rgrds,

    Jitendra

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  2. Suseelan Hari

    Hi Ajay,

    You’re A Great Example for others and you made the difference after posting this blog. Incomparable blog which will definitely help each and every one in our SCN community know the value of truth. I liked the story very much and it is touching. Yes, I agree that client is our heart of the business. Without Client, we will n’t be able to survive in organization & outside without IT world. A Job Well Done! 🙂

    Thanks,

    Hari Suseelan

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  3. Typewriter TW

    Ajay,

    Your blog is appreciated!

    I start with the last part – your dedication to a member who was not selected for a project because of lack of experience:

    Experience is the surest way acquire knowledge in comparison to any other way (e.g. reading, participating in forums, teaching etc.). Only because this person does not have experience is that particular sub-module, but has passion, knowledge(in that submodule) then he/she could be selected…that too it depends upon the other options (consultants) to choose from.

    This “game” is about perseverance and constant endeavor! So not to worry…or get disturbed if he/she was not selected…let him/her keep working and things shall come!

    I feel that in very very few cases we can influence someone else…change comes from within. I think you wife spent “too much” of her valuable time discussing…This might not have changed that lady (she would take her questions, request to help to some one else). but in turn your wife (with her good intentions and ethical thinking) lost time and energy!

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    1. Ajay Maheshwari SAP Trainer Post author

      Hi TW

      Much appreciated your comments.

      I showed your comment to my wife and she said “Its not a waste of time. Even a seed of good thought sowed in the  cosmos never goes waste”  😉

      Br. Ajay M

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          1. Typewriter TW

            Hari, Members,

            For the success of any endeavor, many number of efforts are needed. Sometimes some efforts will look like those have yielded no fruit but every effort makes an impact (which might not be apparent to our eyes, at that given time).

            To achieve these “big” things (at what ever level – individual, collective or social) the drivers need lots of positivity, hope and energy!

            A career in SAP too is the same – keep learning the standard processes, the functionalities…even if it looks like there are no return, no gain and slowly…the returns shall come and the understanding of the tool and mastery of the skill shall dawn!!

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      1. Lakshmi Kumari Sama

        Hi Ajay,

        Thanks for sharing Kavita’s reply here. I am agreeing with her words. She is absolutely right 🙂 .

        Never blame anyone in your life.

        Good People give you Happiness.

        Bad People give you Experience.

        Worst People give you a Lesson.

                                 &

        Best People give you Memories

        Thanks & Regards,

        Lakshmi S

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  4. Ravi Sankar Venna

    Thanks Ajay.

    Very nicely articulated, I can now imagine the whole telephone conversation. 🙂

    Ohhh… 9 months on the bench with nice salary, what should I say, very few lucky people can only get free fruits like that. 😉

    Glad that we incidentally, touched upon the same topic, at least these blogs would give some thought provoking to the candidates. Unless the whole system changes, nothing would really happen.

    Best Regards,

    Ravi

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  5. Rahul Vaidyar

    Very true. Truth is bitter. Fake people run for money without ethics, that too easy money without feeling shame or regret. When heard that SAP is a hot cake, they run for it without second thought. Freshers want to get into SAP field, but don’t want to compromise on salary most of the time for a genuine entry. Another story here  How an SAP Career Can Be Like a Train Journey(especially for Engineering Graduate Freshers)  Consequences of faking could be very distasteful. Better for them to read  Why faking your CV would hunt you for life?

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  6. Gaurav Rana

    Hi,

    SAP is not everyone’s cup of tea,to get this cup of tea with hot chocolate as addition, person should be with full of dedications,conviction,hard work,decency,expertise with break.

    Nice sharing …….

    Regards,

    Gaurav

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  7. Mitasha Gupta

    Hi Ajay,

    To avoid all this recruiters should bring some transparency in their hiring process so that we can get “ The Right People, in the Right Place, at the Right Time, with the Right Skills.”

    Regards,

    Mitasha

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  8. Rajneesh Saxena

    Ajay Sir

    No words to appreciate the blog. Other fellow have already put all nice words so I am out of stock.

    Even then I would say that companies should also think positively and give a chance to fresh talents. All inputs in our lives we want to have fresh but on this front people as an employers always prefer to go for the experienced one.

    No doubt experienced one can start working on next day and the fresher will take may be 15 days but these 15 days can change a life. A person can be made or broken in these 15 days.

    I salute you for recognizing the efforts of the person to whom this was dedicated. At least after reading this he would be feeling great and will come in high spirits as he is recognised by you.

    I salute to your wife also for her high thoughts. She is a person of ethics which is a rare thing in todays world.

    Regards to both of you.

    Rajneesh Saxena

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  9. Aparajit Banik

    Hello Ajay Sir,
    Really appreciate your words, and  also like the point you have mentioned about companies being mean towards fresh talents. I agree with your view that faking CV is very illegal and should not be practiced.

    But to be noted, companies on one hand take college students via campus placement  and deploy them in SAP domain. Now if the companies tell that only experienced are required then how they are deploying freshers like that?

    Okay concentrating on the certified candidates  my question is only one:

    If the companies can recruit BTech or MTech in Biotechnology (even) and can put them in SAP BW domain (this is truth as i have witnessed it happening  in front of me),
    Doesn’t SAP certified candidates deserve to be at least get a job at entry level positions?

    On the other hand a fellow candidate who certified himself  at the same time i completed my certification did not even get a call.

    The situation has been worse because you have mentioned that point and i totally agree to it  that:
    Fake CVs are blocking the chances for other deserving candidates

    So what options are the guys who have proved their credentials by certifying themselves from SAP with such a hard work  have for themselves for getting a job even at low salary?

    So i would just like to convey the message :
    I agree with your view that faking CV is bad, but as said
    1. Necessity does know no bounds
    2. Beggars don’t have choices

    The situation is responsible which makes a person lose his honesty and fake the experience and not only that, its easy to comment on that person that he is bad or has done wrong but we never know how bad his situations are that forced him to take such steps as only the wearer knows where the shoe pinches.

    I think the solution lies within us:

    1. We should not fake and let others fake CV at the same time bring out solution to this problem  which has always been a controversial matter for SAP

    2. We should stop the institutes (even the authorized centers) from faking the candidates and make fake promises about placement into good companies, but in reality fails;  so that the candidate knows every ins and outs even before investing his/ her time , money, effort and almost everything  to achieve a position in SAP.

    Regards,
    Aparajit

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    1. Ajay Maheshwari SAP Trainer Post author

      Much appreciated your comments

      Its true that Situation induces you to do something good or bad – But again, the question rises, will all the people on this earth behave the same when put through the same situation? The answer is NO…. So, that means, the choice is ours, how we respond to it

      I firmly believe that a Right Input can never yield a wrong output… If you consider those times as test of your character and pass through it, you can hold their head high for the entire life..

      God wants to give us more.. but the problem is that we decide what we want and when, and that denies him the opportunity to give what he wants to give 🙂

      Br. Ajay M

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  10. Rohit Jain

    Hi Ajay Sir,

    I could relate to every word; as I guess most of other SAP Consultants would too. As a writer, thats a big achievement. 🙂 I simply had to read it through to the end.

    And I agree with your assessment. Techincal Interviews happen over the phone and there’s no guarantee of who’s who. In these large IT organisations, there must be hundreds and thousands of incompetenet folks trying to lose themselves in the crowd.

    I just hope that the deserving don’t suffer. Honesty is one of the most attractive virtue, as was apparent from your blog.

    I hope you do keep sharing your experiences. I’m really looking forward to read more of these reality bites.

    Regards,

    Rohit 

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  11. Lakshmi Kumari Sama

    Hello Ajay Sir

    I really like this entire blog. In today’s environment technical interviews especially in telephonic round interviews are going like that only. I personally have an experience on the same. As per one of my previous project’s requirement we need to recruit one candidate. So i went to conduct an interview along with my senior. After looking his cv i came to know that he is having nearly 5+ yrs of experience in SAP FICO. I have asked one question – At what level we will create house bank? He is thinking and he gave nearly 3 answers to that small question.

    1A. At client level

    2A. At chart of accounts level

    3A. after thinking some more time he replied that – May be at company code level.

    ( Actually i know that we will get different answers from diff people if we pose same query but here i got 3 diff answers from a candidate for one query 😆 )

    I was shocked 😯 and unable to ask questions furtherly and i am looking at my senior 😐 . And he is simply laughing and he told me that this candidate is not having 5yrs exp hardly he is having only 1-1.5 yrd exp and he kept the fake exp of 4yrs in the CV.

    Leading life is not a difficult thing but leading life with values 🙂 makes differ and will find  those type of people very rarely in todays world like Kavita. I Salute @ Kavita Agarwal  for your PAIN ( Positvie Attitude In Negative Situations ) and your thoughts & values.

    @ Ajay Maheshwari

    Thanks alot for your blogs. It is really encouraging, thought provoking, guiding the people to find the correct path. We are eagerly waiting for your blogs and keep sharing.

    Note:- I hope it is correct to dedicate this blog to Kavita Agarwal 🙂 .

    Thanks & Regards,

    Lakshmi S

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  12. Hrusikesh Dalai

    Ajay,

    the simple answer to this solution is Internal Control of a Company. One lapse spoils the whole Eco system. One wrong candidates promotes his credential and so on it goes on.

    Globalization made communication so easy it made distance between people . At a finger tip you can talk to any one in the world and get million dollar projects same time you will not have time to talk to people and do an interview of a candidate who matters the most.

    Boss Bottom line, dead Line, CAPEX budget, hiring target etc is important for everyone in Company.

    Internet did wonders to IT same time it has also its effects when there was a time interview means Face to Face. Now interview can be categorized telephonic, Online,technical, and general etc etc.

    Simple economics Money is what matters for company and so to candidates

    I would blame it on Companies as they are the one who sets standards and then it spreads.

    This is what called lack of internal control, and just hit the bottom line and need a human body as consultant for projects instead of skills.

    Here the lady is not only one to blame its the whole Eco system first the company for their lack of Internal control of selecting candidate, Their Interview process ( online/telephonic etc.)then the manager( lack of skill to judge the candidate)  who hired her friend, Then the friend ( spreading to get easy money) then their policy ( background check) and last the lady her self. Thank god Kavita stopped her at least the chain had a speed breaker if not complete stop.

    Thanks

    Hrusikesh

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      1. Lakshmi Kumari Sama

        Hi Ajay,

        Yes because “Law breaker knows the law more than the law maker”. First of all change needs to start from our end before asking the others to change. But now-a-days people want to change the world instead of changing themselves.

        “Better to change now itself before the change can change us”.

        Thanks & Regards,

        Lakshmi S

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  13. Warren Nash

    Nice read.

    IT companies are at fault and so are the Clients.  “Ability” is the key and not just experience.  And yes every project you do you will find these kind of people, frustrating as it is they have better “EQ” than the rest of us.  But believe me I always feel being honest allows me to think better and to do things better than others.

    Regards

    Waza

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    1. Ajay Maheshwari SAP Trainer Post author

      Hi Waza

      Thanks for the nice feedback and sharing your views..

      And what a nice line you have spelled… Its 100% correct… Being honest lets you explore your creativity to excel, rather than using it for hiding what you are not!!

      Very well said!!

      Br, Ajay M

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  14. Bharati Patil

    Hi,

    Nice blog.I can not predict how will fake people take it..but for sure many honest people will get inspired as they are on right path as you inspired me.That means our values should not be shifted in any situation whether is it life or SAP.

    regards,

    Bharati

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  15. Manjunatha Kanakuppi

    Hi Maheshwari,

         It is quite impressive blog with some things to be put  into discussion ,Nobody gains experience readily, IT companies has to provide the opportunities for fresher  too and also there are some companies which are recruiting fresher even though paying a less salary but opening a door into SAP world for us …………..
    Hard work ,Honesty ,Passion definitely helps to reach destination It may  late but definite…..Thanks for your blog….Keep writing… 🙂

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  16. Nilesh Vangujar

    After reading this blog it feels like, what is difference between government sector corrupted people and those who cheated in IT industry firm
    like this. 🙁

    Many service based companies(LIKE TCS, INFOSYS,CTS…..etc.) hiring the employee to show the bench strength to client and take a project from them. so what will do by good college student who is on bench from more than 5-6 month and the companies like TCS keeping employee more than a year on bench only. Such a worst case happen with my friend in TCS.

    So it is good that you shared your experience with all Ajay. Many people have this experience but very rare share with all.

    Hat’s off to you. and keep blogging for society, nation and world.!! 🙂

    All the best.!! Thanks.

    Br,

    NILESH

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