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Hi Guys,

I have started working with design studio 1.2 after been working with previous version of Design Studio-1.0/1.1  & WAD & Dashboards(Xcelsius)and went live for production with Design studio 1.1,WAD,Dashboards …

Version 1.2 really starts to look and feel for me  like a product you can work with that allows you more complex functionality then just viewing reports.

I really like the dimension filter & filter panel functionality .I am also happy to see tab strip, pagebook, panel &  more graphs, the new option of  working over BO Universe is awesome

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I can tell you that designing a Dashboard with Design Studio is very fast, and it can support mobile iOS.

When you are looking at Design Studio you can see the extreme resemblance to Bex Web Application Designer(at least for me)  , I worked with WAD in the past 8-10 years and have done some amazing web application stuff with it, I have extended the application with xml and java script coding and it was fun and doing the work.

When SAP  got into SAP Dashboard , suddenly everything started to be much easy, more sexy and lots of lots amazing functionality ( sometimes with the help of excel  ) it is an amazing and simple tool to work with, and lots of cool ad-on’s ,I don’t understand why SAP stops fixing him to HTML5

When I see Dashboard vs Design Studio, vs WAD, some of my current pain points are those:

1. If you want to have complex functionality you must use coding, you need to have developer skills, unlike Dashboards that doesn’t require development skills, why not developing those capabilities as Design Studio objects (like excel export etc.)

2. At least the users I am working with, has got used to the sexy 3d layout and functionality, which Design Studio do not have yet

3. The current version of Design Studio takes you back couple of years from BI perspective on the functionality side (like easy way to export, broadcast, and drill down,        dimension replacement etc.)

4. I am missing the “right click” functionality that was in the Bex WAD (I am sure in the future it will be)

5. Where is the basic data text information of when was the last time that the information has been refreshed, changed ,etc like WAD has.

5. Why in end of 2013 ,SAP still uses a local installation, why can’t it be a web application with no local installation (like webi, Analysis etc)

Design Studio supposed to be the tool that replaced WAD & Dashboard, it is a substantial task to do, there are lots of work yet to be done in the tool from development, functionality & capabilities side , I do not understand why SAP saying in all of their presentation that this is the tool for Dashboards while it is not ready to the market(from my point of view)

I will love hearing what you guys have to say, maybe I am wrong and need to see a different picture

P.S I attach simple Design Studio Dashboard I have created

Cheers,

Adir

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  1. Manfred Schwarz

    Hi,

    I would not be so pessimistic with my opinions.

    I’ve some comments down below.

    1. If you want to have complex functionality you must use coding, you need to have developer skills, unlike Dashboards that doesn’t require development skills, why not developing those capabilities as Design Studio objects (like excel export etc.)

    I admit you have to use coding, but if you want to bring excel logic you have to use Excel coding as well. I know that more people are good in excel, but i don’T think it is so hard to switch here !

    In Design Studio you don’T have the hazzle that some of the functions are not supported 😉 That is a great advantage

    2. At least the users I am working with, has got used to the sexy 3d layout and functionality, which Design Studio do not have yet

    SDK has started with Release 1.2 and i think there will be amazing addons comming from the cmmunity.

    3. The current version of Design Studio takes you back couple of years from BI perspective on the functionality side (like easy way to export, broadcast, and drill down,        dimension replacement etc.)

    “Export of Tables is supported with Release 1.2, Drilldown is possible since the beginning. With the navigation panel dimension replacement is also available since release 1.2 (not via drag ‘n drop, but it is available.

    I am not aware that dimension replacement is available for Dashboards ?

    4. I am missing the “right click” functionality that was in the Bex WAD (I am sure in the future it will be)

    No comment here

    5. Where is the basic data text information of when was the last time that the information has been refreshed, changed ,etc like WAD has.

    Within the Datasource it is possible to get those data. I don’T have the actual call in my head, but it is definitely there !

    5. Why in end of 2013 ,SAP still uses a local installation, why can’t it be a web application with no local installation (like webi, Analysis etc)

    From an enduserperspective you have just a webfrontend ? i don’t get your complaint. With Dashboards you also have a local installation ?

    Design Studio (especially with new chart addons closes the gap to an overall reporting very quickly. You are able to combine relational Universes with the OLAP world. You can’t do that with WAD 😉

    Best regards

    Manfred

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    1. Victor Gabriel Saiz Castillo

      I fully agree with Manfred, adding some points:

      1. DS semantics are more clear and understandable, not to mention more powerful. No need to type in code manually, the assistant is your best friend here!

      3. DS definitely does not take you back!

      4. Right click is not there just yet, but what do you exactly miss here?

      5. You will find that under DS.getInfo().*

      I am sure you will love DS right after your first project. I also do after being an old Xcelsius Fan since version 4.5 😉

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    2. S. van Middelkoop

      Going with Manfred on this one as well.

      Regarding the local install for the designers: I’d take a responsive and full design environment on my local machine over a web-based design tool anytime. In fact, Design Studio offers an advantage over the WAD here as well, since WAD is not only a local install, it also needs connection to the back-end system at all times, where Design Studio doesn’t.

      From a BW integration point of view Design Studio is a great step forward, SAP now has to try and match the graphical capabilities of Xcelsius..

      Sjoerd

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    3. Adir Oren Post author

      Hi Manfred ,

      thank you for your replay

      as of the SDK,

      why do we need to use SDK for amazing  graph’s or objects, I expect from SAP to deliver it with no coding 🙂

      I think that in current days where customers require’s  results at “no- time’ , the time we spent to code is not  serve customer interest

      if you have the option to receive the data of “data refreshed” will be appreciate if you can share with us

      I don’t understand how you can do the navigation panel dimension replacement – can you please explain, an no in Dashboard you dont have it but with WAD you do

      as of the installation , i agree that the installation also for Dashboard is not that good, I watch other BI tools in the market as Cognos ,Qlickview , I see that most of the effort is going to web application , I don’t know why but when I installed the ds1.2 is want  working

      it is not complaint it is a development remark

      Thank you for your response

      Adir

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      1. Mike Howles

        Adir,

        I think that we do not see ‘amazing’ graphs from SAP, seeing as they must cater to a certain baseline for customers.  Which means simple, but usable, cartesian/coordinate type charts and nothing too wild.

        There’s no way they can create every permutation of charts for any feasible scenario, but as you mention, there are vendors that do try.  I’d argue that there’s a lot of chartjunk out there, as a result.

        If you want to do the crazy or flashy stuff, the SDK is the perfect vector to get it in there.

        (And for FWIW, d3 I think is the charting engine for DS, but some people take it to a whole new level).

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      2. Manfred Schwarz

        Hi Adir
        You need the SDK if you need others that is coming out of the box – i was thinking somewhere in the What-If-Analysis capabilities from Dashboards. That is missing. Otherwise all common charts that you need are there. I admit that not all possible configurations are possible, but you can handle a lot of graphical requirements here !

        OK, but now to your questions – i try to answer teh two.

        I made some screenshots for both. I start with the navigation pane.

        DS-NavPan-Properties.png

        First make sure you use the “Filter Panel” component and then set the Mode Property to “Filtering and Navigation”.

        Then you get the nice column and rows images on the left of the dimensions.

        Run your app and you will see the following

        running_Nav_Pan_1.png

        Now you see the initial view ! Concentrate on the pressed buttons next to Plant and Key figures.

        Then click on whatever rows or columns – see here

        running_Nav_Pan_2.png

        Now your crosstab or graph has changed dynamically by the user at runtime and not designtime -> Magic 😉 As i know SAP is working on Drag and Drop. But for it counts that you have the ability to do so !!

        The other thing is Metainformation.

        If you open up a script Editor – either by selecting a component or by going to the “on Startup” event of DS you should us the following script

        TEXT_1.setText(“Last Date:” + DS_1.getInfo().lastRefreshedAt);

        Here are screenshots – showing also more Metadatainformation that is available for a datasource !!

        /wp-content/uploads/2013/12/last_refreshdate_n_others_346223.png

        and that is how it looks like in runtime:

        /wp-content/uploads/2013/12/last_refreshdate_example_346224.png

        You see there is a lot possible with DS 1.2 and there is a really fast implementation speed for new features !!

        I hope i could motivate you to work more with it.

        Best regards

        Manfred

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  2. Mike Howles

    Thanks for the post.  I agree with some of it.

    Regarding right-click, I’m wondering if it’s because there’s no universal method of right-click for mobile devices.  (On some, it’s a long-tap, others it’s two-finger tap, etc).  Just thinking out loud.

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  3. Adir Oren Post author

    Hi All

    thank you all for your replays

    as a SAP fan I want that will use the best Dashboard tool we can have, with less coding we can:)

    thanks

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    1. S. van Middelkoop

      I agree with you on designing with as few code possible. However, I prefer a few lines of codes to get something done in design studio over the xcelsius/dashboards way of designing because of clarity and stability.

      As for charting: what kind of ‘amazing’ things are you using now, that Design Studio doesn’t offer?

      Thanks for the post, it provides for good discussion.

      Sjoerd

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  4. Ryan Goodman

    Great discussion here. It is important to question readiness and capabilities. One of SAP’s problems with Design Studio, is the more functionality they open up, the larger volume of use cases that will come up.

    I am curious what role you guys see the SDK playing


    For example, with Design Studio you need to grant permissions to your developers to deploy the add-on components not only on the local machine(s) but also on your BOE server and restart server processes..


    Do you guys see it problematic allowing dashboard developers to deploying SDK code to your server and how do you see that panning out for production environments and project life cycle management?


    Do you see or other customers/users turning to SDK components to quickly fill in functionality when not available?

    Trying to gauge from the guys who are in the weeds, as we prioritize introducing our Google Maps based component (formerly GMaps Plugin) to Design Studio next year.

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    1. Anil S

      The current workflow of publishing SDK for productive use is complex.

      Need a simpler way to manage the development and life cycle. Direct install on a productive environment is a big concern. Can it be managed with objects promotions ?

      I do not know, how the Existing Live Applications will behave when the installed component is upgraded on the production environment.

      But at the same time, the functionality is quite promising. You can really implement business specific needs and engage your business users better by capitalizing on all the latest web technology developments.

      Hope we will have a simpler way of publishing SDK components in the future Design Studio releases.

      Anil

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  5. Philipp Hinnah

    Hi all,

    we are currently working with DS 1.1 and are really looking forward to installing DS 1.2.

    Does anyone know, if – when using DS together with the BO Platform – the required Add-On must be on the same version, that is also 1.2?

    Or to ask it in a different way: would a DS client 1.2 work with a Add-On in version 1.1?

    Regards,

    Philipp

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