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Author's profile photo Benedict Venmani Felix

Get In, Get Coffee, Get OUT!!!

There’s been too much activity lately in SCN, ironically it’s all happing in the coffee corner. Even though I am allergic to coffee, I like hanging around the coffee corner in SCN. But, lately a lot of things there are making some of us loose our sanity. As, Gareth rightly hollered “For the sake of my sanity…….”. There have been rants, grumbling, discontent… every word listed in the thesaurus to express this feeling, by some of the expert and senior members. SCN is not an exclusive club for the experts, it invites participation and the gates are open for all, but there still are some rules to play by. Open for all does not mean open for everything. I am neither an expert nor a senior member but I do feel that the system has become a victim of itself. ‘Gamification’ did bring in a lot of participation but at what cost?

Thomas, Jürgen, Tammy and the others we all look up to did not earn their diamonds and topaz’s by posting funny facts, jokes and their travel experiences in the coffee corner, and I don’t think they would care if they woke up tomorrow and found their diamond badge missing from their SCN profile. The place is called a coffee corner for a reason. You don’t spend too much time in a coffee shop unless you work there. I am not opposed to the idea of posting funny facts, jokes and our travel experiences, but what percentage of our participation we should ask ourselves. If more than 10% of our participation is in coffee corner then obviously Facebook is a better place for us than SCN. There’s a sucker born every minute and there’s one to like and rate our content 5 stars for everything we post, and that might win us a ‘most popular’, ‘excellent brewer’, ‘strong blend’ badges but that does not make us any better than we are now. And that definitely does not give us an excuse to linger around the corner.

And plagiarism. Plagiarism is stealing. The word may sound suave but it still means stealing. You are stealing some one’s possession and passing it of as your own. How would we feel if some stole your diamond badge one fine day? The hard earned diamond badge that you earned by posting all the jokes, facts etc. Don’t plagiarize just because it is wrong, don’t because people will somehow find out. There’s always a chance that people will look you up in the internet when you go for an interview and you don’t want them to see you as a plagiarizer (read ‘thief’).

My grandmother used to say, “There’s a place for everything and everything in its place” and SCN is a place for technical content. If we have an urge to share everything we see in our inbox then there’s lot of places in the internet. Remember, ‘diamonds are forever’ but the one’s earned in coffee corner don’t shine any brighter than others.

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      Author's profile photo Manikandan Elumalai
      Manikandan Elumalai

      Thumbs up!

      Author's profile photo Jitendra Kansal
      Jitendra Kansal

      Benedict Vasanth

      totally agree with you.

      waiting for this comment to implement

      http://scn.sap.com/message/14399200#14399200

      Author's profile photo Anshu Lilhori
      Anshu Lilhori

      Hi Vasanth,

      I was just wondering how did i miss this blog..First of all big thanks to you for bringing this up and you have almost hit the nail on the head.

      There's another way to make easy points and we call it Wiki.For editing a page 2 points.For creating a wiki just by simply pasting a link 40 points.In a day you can create 3 wiki pages and i guess you can edit them thrice or may be more than that.

      So in total 126 points in a day and in a month 126*30 = 3780 .I have seen people doing it and gaining points like anything.

      How do you give justice to those easy points vs hard earned points of those people whose names you mentioned in your blog.

      If you look at my profile,you will find that most of my points have come up with discussions in technical forum and i feel proud of it because at the end of the day i should be able to meet up my own eyes.

      We should always focus on the quality of content and not the quantity.

      Regards,

      AL

      Author's profile photo Benedict Venmani Felix
      Benedict Venmani Felix
      Blog Post Author

      Thanks Anshu for sharing your view. A lot of us, I don't really care about this points but when we see the point-gamers flaunt their 'coffee making' skills and take creadit for something they stole from the internet, thats what really irks me.

      Regards,

      Benedict

      Author's profile photo Chandra Shekhar Agarwal
      Chandra Shekhar Agarwal

      Very well said Anshu, We should always focus on quality not quantity..

      Author's profile photo Former Member
      Former Member

      well said. I agree with vasanth and anshu. SCN need to make it.

      Author's profile photo Suman Chakravarthy K
      Suman Chakravarthy K

                         You are absolutely right Anshu/Vasanth. I have been active on SCN since 2011. I have seen how SDN has been transformed to SCN. It was so painful to earn points by any means those days till SCN. All were very hard earned points. Now the situation has dramatically changed with Gamification concept.

                         Now I see people hardly registers in SCN and they are almost top of all tables with all Gamification benefits. SCN has introduced it to encourage everybody. But some people are misusing it. They are just here to make points with at least 1 -3 WIKIs everyday and with What not. They literally came up with in no time with just Wikis, Docs, Blogs etc.. They come up with all basic stuff. Already we have great Google and SCN search to get all basic docs. That clearly shows they want to meet their target points everyday.

                        The whole world is working hard to earn money. Currency notes are made by Plastic, Paper and Magnesium etc.,But we don't get satisfaction if we print our own money. We should not create points on SCN. They should be generated with our valued contributions.

                          From my point of view, real points are earned by participating in Discussion threads. These are precious than any thing. This means, we are helping fellow mates to go on with their jobs by overcoming their obstacles. This gives immense satisfaction for us. Nothing can beat this satisfaction.

      Author's profile photo Benedict Venmani Felix
      Benedict Venmani Felix
      Blog Post Author

      You are right Suman. But atleast the recognition like Thought Leader are only awarded to the really deserving folks.

      On the lighter side, I think we have given the idea of using wiki for points for those not aware of it so far 😛

      Regards,

      Benedict

      Author's profile photo Suman Chakravarthy K
      Suman Chakravarthy K

      Yep, you are right. Thought Leader is something very precious 🙂 . Of course we have given great insight about Wiki now...LOL

      Author's profile photo Anshu Lilhori
      Anshu Lilhori

      This argument is already getting heated up.Its my point of view and it may differ person to person.Even i am active since 2011 and i recently came to know regarding easy points gaming in Wiki.

      As you mentioned in your comment--

      From my point of view, real points are earned by participating in Discussion threads. These are precious than any thing

      Now imagine you become a topic leader in one of the space with highest point and eventually you realize that its not because of the contribution in discussion forums but due to wiki points.How would you feel ?

      The worst part is i do not find anything concrete getting published in wiki these days especially from BW perspective.

      Nothing is in my control i can just express my views and opinion on the same.

      Regards,
      AL

      Author's profile photo Suman Chakravarthy K
      Suman Chakravarthy K

      Hi Anshu,

      Now imagine you become a topic leader in one of the space with highest point and eventually you realize that its not because of the contribution in discussion forums but due to wiki points.How would you feel ?

      I don't like Easy Money as well as Easy Points. I would never do such things.

      You are right about the quality of the content in Wiki. Now i feel it's high time to revert back moderation part on Blogs, Docs and Wikis. Then only we could expect the quality. I feel Likes also have to be abandoned.

      Regards,

      Suman

      Author's profile photo CH Raman
      CH Raman

      Well said Vasanth and Anshu. Keep it up.

      Author's profile photo Frank Koehntopp
      Frank Koehntopp

      You're totally echoing our sentiments, especially those of the moderators that have to suffer.

      Hope blogging it in About SCN alerts some other moderators, it's a disgrace. I'm all for freedom of expression, but it should be loosely SAP related IMHO. The kind of stuff posted in the coffee corner would be frowned upon on Facebook, and only maybe tolerated on MySpace.

      Let's get the old coffee corner back, shall we...?

      Author's profile photo Roberto Vidotti
      Roberto Vidotti

      Frank Koehntopp wrote:

      You're totally echoing our sentiments, especially those of the moderators that have to suffer.

      Hope blogging it in About SCN alerts some other moderators, it's a disgrace. I'm all for freedom of expression, but it should be loosely SAP related IMHO.

      Moderators have to suffer yes 😈 but I think also because the wiki and blogs gamification needs to be modified. I said before that it's hard to find something new, relevant and of quality to wrote with more then 1 per week iin average Stephen Johannes if I remember said 1 per month, but the actual gamification rules permit to post every day 3 wiki pages per day for month and you gain 40 points for 1 wiki also if this contains just the title  and I saw a lot of empty pages also from the same author. 🙁 😯

      Wiki seems a sort of "free zone" without moderation but some moderators waste a lot of time to look inside and verify if it's copy & paste or if empty if maybe is just because the author will starts it quickly: how much should one wait to be sure that an empty page is a cheat? 1 week, 1month or 1 year?

      I think gamification rules should be changed in these areas, restricting the points earned and limiting the number of publications per week or per month and also a minimum of 50? 100? words necessary to consider this not a "draft" but a "finished" page and earn the points.

      If this page has a good value I think the author will received ratings and likings so he will continue to receive "earned" points..

      Regards

      Roberto

      Author's profile photo Benedict Venmani Felix
      Benedict Venmani Felix
      Blog Post Author

      How about deducting 50 points for every abuse report that is approved or limiting the number of abuses to 5 and then barring the memeber from posting anything on SCN. Gamification should work both ways, dont you think?

      Benedict

      Author's profile photo Roberto Vidotti
      Roberto Vidotti

      yes or as suggest Rick Bakker replying to you in http://scn.sap.com/message/14464300#14464300 reintroducing Guestification.

      So that the points system makes any sense, should be made at least the most obvious steps to prevent easy cheating, e.g. do not assign 40 points to wiki pages that contain only the title or a couple of lines should be the minimum.

      Regards

           Roberto

      Author's profile photo Anshu Lilhori
      Anshu Lilhori

      Best is to limit the points in wiki and also the number of wikis in a day.10 points for one wiki and one per day instead of three.

      Yes also define the minimum number of words limit  to publish it,as you suggested in one of your reply.

      This can definitely help to curb the publications in wiki.It has become a dumping ground it seems. 😡

      Regards,

      AL

      Author's profile photo Martin Grob
      Martin Grob

      Hi Anshu

      This has already been take care of..

      Beginning on January 1, 2014,adjust wiki points to 10 points per page created, with a maximum of 30 points per day. Wiki page edit points will stay at 2 points per page with the limit of 10 points per day.

      Martin

      Author's profile photo Roberto Vidotti
      Roberto Vidotti

      Hi Martin,

      ok but this means also that a user can continue to create 3 pages per day and as "I said before that it's hard to find something new, relevant and of quality to wrote with more then 1 per week".

      3 page per day are noise in the SCN and also 10 points for edit, 5 edit in a day? Why? If you want to add or correct something 1 edit per day should be enough (normally when you edit a thread's answer you didn't receive any point at all).

      Regards

           Roberto

      Author's profile photo Benedict Venmani Felix
      Benedict Venmani Felix
      Blog Post Author

      Worst thing is, you cant even report an abuse directly like we do in other forums, blogs etc 🙁

      Author's profile photo Roberto Vidotti
      Roberto Vidotti

      yes even this should be fixed.

      Also wiki pages should fall under moderation

      Author's profile photo Martin Grob
      Martin Grob

      this is not entirely true, wikis are moderated and if you see empty pages you can report those and they get removed and points get deducted..

      Author's profile photo Roberto Vidotti
      Roberto Vidotti

      in the wiki page there isn't a Report Abuse so you have to contact personally the moderator and maybe the author simply wait to have time to write his page, also other people can contribute to it, that's why I think should be easy to give the points after writing at least a minimum of 50-100 words, this will also diminuish the work for moderators.

      Also introducing the Abuse Report in wiki should simplify the reporting.

      Author's profile photo Benedict Venmani Felix
      Benedict Venmani Felix
      Blog Post Author

      Thanks for your comments Frank. I understand that it is a really huge task that the moderators are doing, especially considering that they are volunteering to do this. We owe you a lot.

      Benedict

      Author's profile photo Martin Grob
      Martin Grob

      Totally agree on that too..It's obvious coffee corner should be points free but also what's happening in About SCN. I mean it should be About SCN and not about me, my family and my life thats what personal blog sites are for..

      Martin

      Author's profile photo Former Member
      Former Member

      Hi Benedict,

      Very nice information and we all will definitely follow your good tips.

      Thank you so much for motivating blog.

      Regards,

      Hari Suseelan

      Author's profile photo Srinu S
      Srinu S

      Nice information shared. Thanks for sharing.

      Author's profile photo Chandra Shekhar Agarwal
      Chandra Shekhar Agarwal

      Very well written blog and something need to taken care with high priority..Thanks Benedict Venmani Felix for pointing it out. 🙂

      Author's profile photo Mohsin Abbasi
      Mohsin Abbasi

      Dear Benedict,

      Very well Highlighted this Fact, but here two school of thoughs are prevailing, one is your and others is against you, Even though you highlighted the Quality of Stuff and Quantity................ 🙂

      Best Regards

      Mohsin Abbasi

      Author's profile photo Eduardo Rezende
      Eduardo Rezende

      Nice blog!
      Thanks for sharing.

      Author's profile photo Harish Kumar
      Harish Kumar

      You are right  Benedict Vasanth

      we can see there is much less appreciation on technical doc if you shared but more in CC.

      Even though SCN is more about technical stuff.

      Regards,

      Harish Kumar

      Author's profile photo Benedict Venmani Felix
      Benedict Venmani Felix
      Blog Post Author

      Totally agree, I dont understand why people have to log-in to SCN to appreciate all the CC. There are better forums for that.

      Regards,

      Benedict

      Author's profile photo Vivek Singh Bhoj
      Vivek Singh Bhoj

      Great write up Benedict 🙂

      Well said 🙂

      Regards,

      Vivek

      Author's profile photo Srinivas Salpala
      Srinivas Salpala

      Benedict,

      Very good information and everyone must agree with these words.

      BR, Srinivas Salpala

      Author's profile photo Diwa p
      Diwa p

      Hi Benedict,

      that's absolutely correct. thanks for sharing your gracefull thoughts about scn

      Regards

      Diwa

      Author's profile photo Former Member
      Former Member

      very good points Benedict. great entry!

      Author's profile photo Jason Lax
      Jason Lax

      Here's an important notice regarding changes to the Coffee Corner: Important - Blogs and Documents Elimination in Coffee Corner

      Author's profile photo Former Member
      Former Member

      Exactly ..we dont need coffee..!!! 😆

      Author's profile photo Former Member
      Former Member

      Very well said...

      during a sip of coffee, we can relax more and tend us to think more...

      Best wishes

      Author's profile photo Sijin Chandran
      Sijin Chandran

      Totally Agree with you ,

      I have got ONE document presently in my mind which is totally IMMATURE n ANNOYING ( Will not Highlight here , am sure many might have gone through it ) and I used to think about during Its INITIAL days of posting , how this Document managed to Escape the RADAR of our MODERATORS.

      But now I can see Few SENIOR member's comment on it.

      Like we say " Think Twice before Speaking" the same holds here " Think Twice before Posting " so that in the Long Run we don't have to REGRET for our own Posts.

      Author's profile photo Benedict Venmani Felix
      Benedict Venmani Felix
      Blog Post Author

      Hi Siji,

      I am not sure which particular document you are talking about but lately coffee corner has been the place for all the annoy'ment 🙁

      Benedict

      Author's profile photo Sathish Varadharaj
      Sathish Varadharaj

      Hi Siji,

           You may be right but not sure.....!