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This is a screenshot of the roadmap seen in the PBTV webinar of July, for those who did not attend it.

There were no official from SAP, so the presenters insisted on the fact that it is not official.

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It was also mentioned that PB Native is the new name for PB Classic.

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  1. Jeff Wayt

    PowerBuilder is still in the process of getting onto the SAP price list. This is why there’s been no market-visible movement toward the next release. Getting onto the SAP price list is a prerequisite for a number of subsequent steps to take place; roadmap approval, R&D budget approval, sales force authorized to sell, etc.

    We need to be more vocal in demanding the next release. SAP needs to assign a new VP to PowerBuilder. It may need to come from Business Intelligence, so we need to get their attention.

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    1. Paolo Gatti

      “We need”? SAP needs.

      There has been no market-visible movement for two years.

      If SAP doesn’t do something fast, Powerbuilder will die soon.

      Companies already are migrating or rewriting software for other platforms.

      Platforms which cost less, have more support and have a serious roadmap.

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    2. Guillaume Mayer Post author

      I read that price list story several times, but don’t understand it, in Sybase.com online store, PowerBuilder has a public price : 2 439.80€

      Sybase was acquired by SAP three years ago, so why PB is not in this list yet ?

      Is it possible that it never get onto ?

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    3. no new power

      Waiting to getting on the Price list is a STUPID Excuse not to do anything!

      If it was a month a two long excuse it would be fine but it has been a YEAR!

      WE NEED ANSWER FROM SAP ASAP.

      SIGN THE PETITION TODAY.

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    4. no new power

      Once SAP makes PowerBuilder open source, do we have a team or company that would work on improving it? Perhaps, hire existing sybase developers that were working on powerbuilder development.

      There is novalys, appeon or US development that could take over.

      any thoughts?

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      1. David Peace

        We’ve had this discussion before…..

        The question is would you but up funding for development? If the answer is no then why would anyone including SAP?

        The problem is that the PB community is all noise and no money. The majority do not buy support so where is the revenue going to come from?

        A waste of time and effort IMHO

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        1. no new power

          Agreed.

          For starters, SAP or whoever takes over needs to streamline by doing end of life on all older versions of PB than the current one.  Only current version needs to be updated and supported.

          Make pb.net solid by having better migration path from pb classic. The reason why most people are still on classic including me is because the migration is not easy and the errors cannot be resolved.

          Get rid of PB Classic – it cannot compete with .net, VS IDE

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          1. Jeff Wayt

            For all the languages that Visual studio supports, NOT ONE had any migration path, no Visual Basic to VB.NET, C++ to C#, etc. utility. PB was the only language to support it. Given the shift in interface paradigm, Sybase should get credit for that accomplishment. Once you get it into PB.NET, you have to figure out how to go from there, but at least you have your code. Imagine the refactoring and recoding without the migration utility that M$ never offered for their own.

            Dot NET isn’t the rage it once was. It’s not going to disappear, but one could argue with 20/20 hindsight that HTML5 might have been the better fork in the road map to take. If so, commitment to PB.NET migration might be a mistake. PB native can deploy to Appeon and give web and Mobile migration.

            I’ve seen an oil company make a 6-year $140 million mistake trying to replace a Win32 PB app with C# and VS. They could rewrite it from ground up and do it right. It failed catastrophically and could not scale to 1 user. A 3rd-party consultant estimated another $60 million to make it work. I don’t see evidence that PB can’t compete.

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            1. Bruce Armstrong

              Jeff Wayt wrote:

              Dot NET isn’t the rage it once was. It’s not going to disappear, but one could argue with 20/20 hindsight that HTML5 might have been the better fork in the road map to take.

                                 

              I still haven’t seen any signs that indicate that HTML5 can support enterprise LOB applications.  Until it does, I don’t see that as the road map to take given that’s what PB is largely used for.

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            2. Guillaume Mayer Post author

              Hi Jeff,

              I agree that we have to give credit to Sybase for that migration path, the only problem is that the path is hard to go through, the new IDE is not really stable, and is slower.

              That’s the main reason that disappoints me about this roadmap : nothing about Pb.NET.

              I wonder if SAP does not consider it as a bad strategy since once you have done the migration you won’t need PB so much : you could use VS to enhance your app.

              About .NET and HTML5, I can’t see them as one or the other, but complementary, an ASP.NET target should have been great. Appeon is succeeding where Sybase failed and SAP seems ok with that : they removed WebForms target of the product, they removed web and mobile deployment targets of the roadmap.


              Like you said, rewrite a consequent application in C# and VS is almost impossible, too expensive and it can’t be done progressively, that’s why we dramatically need PB enhancements.

              Regards

              Guillaume

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