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Last week there was SAP-HANA tweet chat using #SAPChat hashtag. I reviewed the discussions in Twitter and did my best to summarize the questions and answers in this blog post. I’ll continue to review the discussions and update this blog post. Please feel free to let me know in case I missed anything important.

First I’ll present the comments retweeted by the panel as well as participants.

Retweets

  • I will look at making HANA available on cheaper versions of EC2
  • ANYONE can get a free HANA system, TODAY on amazon EC2. – scn.sap.com/docs/DOC-28294
  • For ABAP developers wanting to branch into HANA at #sapteched we have CD162, CD202
  • I’ve got CD163 – first hands-on for building apps on HANA Application Services
  • BW on HANA priced VERY aggressively and TCO better than BW+Oracle any day.
  • technology is the easier part – finding use case and designing a solution is the harder part
  • #HANA is a platform, a database, an app server, an analytic appliance, a planning engine, a text search engine…
  • The Distinguished Engineer program is a community effort, not an SAP Education program.
  • we need #saphana developer edition on Yellow Mac Mini for $2000!!!
  • Distinguished Engineer program is independent of certification, so the answer there would be NO.
  • I am amused that the new HANA partner program requires 15 certified consultants.
  • Once and for all, HANA will NOT replace BW. There will b use cases where u don’t NEED BW, but that’s different.

In case you’re interested in who made which comment, please let me know. I’ll email a word document which contains the discussions in Q & A format.

Question
Response 1 Response 2 Response 3 Response 4
Response 5

Where would I find the high level

concise explanation of HANA

to present to non-SAP IT

organizations to introduce them to it ?

Here you go: youtube.com/watch?v=EoPnKS… #SAP #HANA is a platform, a database, an app server, an analytic appliance, a planning engine, a text search engine
online event planned like Online Innojam we had months before, with ABAP on HANA? #SAPChat – asking 2nd time

@annehardy might be able to help reg. event like Online Innojam we had months before, with ABAP on HANA #SAPChat

When they changed their stance on being the No 2 database provider by 2016 I was confused by that reversal. What is the goal?

no one changed their stance, least of all me. That’s just NOT our core objective. It’s a byproduct of our growth.

Just so everyone knows, our day 1 goal was fastest growing DB vendor in ent. mkt – and IDC has declared SAP that 2day

What is actually required to implement HANA in terms of competence? Is this a purely technical exercise? technology is the easier part – finding use case and designing a solution is the harder part
The hanna will replace bw?

Once and for all, HANA will NOT replace BW. There will b use cases where u don’t NEED BW, but that’s different.

no it does not…a well blogged issue too #SAPChat We have many blogs talking about BW on #SAP #HANA topic ow.ly/ccfC3 “once and for all” (love it!) but.. not phrase that tends to work on Twitter where convos are maddeningly circular.:)
Is there any demo/video for usage of direct extractor connection ? Not sure about video, I’ll look. Here it is documented in operations manual: bit.ly/MmQDAw
ABAP programmers see the world in ABAP. They need an awakening to see a new world that starts with HANA… DB layer, not APP layer well, in non-HANA world, if ABAPers try to push more to database, the results might not be what we like:)
How can developer uses the power of R language support that has been introduced in SP4.

R is not very difficult to learn..and you can write lean predictive logic without using extra layers

check HANA and R here slideshare.net/JitenderAswani…

In 2013 should customers be be looking for an #HANA Certified resource or a HANA Distinguished Engineer Distinguished Engineer. Certification needs work
Does the phrase “#hana application layer” (whatever that means) already exist? #hal9000 Does the phrase “#hana application layer” (whatever that means) already exist? #hal9000 #SAPchat” it should

Trying to follow #SAPChat and also work and do email and on conference call #badmix

–COMMENT–
did we talk DR yet? What key features does HANA need to be full fledged database? HANA has official DR capabilities as of SP4, dependent on HW vendor support. Most DB DR configs are indep of DB nearly there as of SP4. SP5 brings the final elements of active-active and active-passive DR nope..DR hasn’t come up yet..you get the prize
we need #saphana developer edition on Yellow Mac Mini for $2000!!! this is the best idea of the day. Does Apple’s EULA allow us to strip the OS and resell with linux?
Talking small or big amounts of data, when should a business start considering HANA? What ERP maturity is required? Top tips? No hard coupling needed with ECC…Hana is source agnostic..as long as u can load data, go for it 2/3rds of all HANA use cases right now have nothing to do with ERP. bit.ly/Kxz8RZ check out use cases here #HANA is often used without ERP, size does not matter -e.g. BI OD on HANA, HANA Edge and HANA scale out

Support is always getting better, given its new. That said, let me know DIRECTLY re: spt issues. Pls send direct msg.

Errors thrown in HANA studio many times gives no clue to the problem and very unstable. Any improvement there? Every version I see improvements in error messaging. Way better than it was, I bet it continues to get better. true, but is that a HANA problem or a use case problem ? what revision of #hana studio? R33 is very good Certainly I did not work on latest revision of HANA studio! If I get a chance, would let you know can you send a note on the HANA studio error to askSAPHANA@sap.com or DM me
We should be building and selling prebuilt ready to use analytics through SAP. Cloud, instead of just the technology. #SAP strength @vgupta2 sure..and RDS solutions are already available…cloud too
Will a person HAVE to be #SAP HANA certified to be eligible for the HANA distinguished engineer program? Distinguished Engineer program is independent of certification, so the answer there would be NO. 
HANA does not solve all scenarios in real time, then why is it said to real-time processing. we say real-time as new class of apps where OLTP +OLAP is in one DB, lot of start-ups and new apps using this

I think main advtg of HANA is its untilization of Hardware innovation to provide near-realtime anlysis

sure..Hardware advances are a key reason indeed
For a new customer will BW on #HANA Cost less than a oracle db based BW system for a large company BW on HANA priced VERY aggressively and TCO better than BW+Oracle any day In my customer scenarios, #saphana is very cost competitive in TCO terms. Also TCA if hardware
will the performance gap and price point make other options irrelevant? well, other DB vendors won’t just sit around waiting, would they ? 

well, other DB vendors won’t just sit around waiting, would they ? #SAPChat <<No they wont

ALL DB decisions should be made on volume & value of data matched to cost of DB software. HANA will be competitive $$ wise

Any specific algorithms planned to analyze Big data on HANA? check out the Predictive Analytics Library for #saphana popular clustering, classification, regression, etc algos are implemented as part of Predictive Library in HANA
What are some must-attend #SAPHana sessions for #SAPTechEd Las Vegas? I’m hosting CD166 which is a 2 hour hands on session about HANA SQLscript #SAP #HANA#SAPTechEd sessions being defined – will share list soon. @vijayasankarv and @applebyj say “Mine” #SAPTechEd I’ve got CD163 – first hands-on for building apps on HANA Application Services (XSEngine)
Do you have #SAPHana customer use cases for the Utilities solutions? yes – we had one in #IBM booth at SAPPHIRE  Yes – check out Alliander, Centrica, AGL, and So Cal Edison use cases for Utilities #SAPChat #SAP #HANA
So HANA on Big Data would be used to analyze mostly real-time data? both, e.g. time traversal is uniquely possible on #SAP #HANA HANA platforms might not have versions but HANA studio certainly has many versions and that too very fast

in my opinion HANA is not big data. Big-ISS data. TB not PB. Real time is a good use case.

also see the 5 dimensions from @vsikka – big data is just one of the 5
Do you see HANA as the only database for BW and/ or ECC in distant future Personally, I don’t – since all data rarely needs to be in memory..multi-temparature model next I think BW and ECC will be optimized for HANA & in keeping with our open ecosystem and choice for customer we support all we will HANA definitely as primary DB for ECC and BW but also ASE as second option from SAP plus partner DB’s

HANA is the *best* DB and SAP remains open to other vendors.

Speaking with our SAP customers, they would like to see some more concrete case studies of succesful HANA work. Is this about? We have had several customers speak live at SAPPHIRE conference. Many of these are available for replay. ESH is experiencesaphana.com We are always looking for more customers willing to do public use cases. Also have Use Case Repository on ESH. Link to #SAP #HANA use cases is directly here: experiencesaphana.com/community/reso…
With HANA, hardware as well as ABAP changes. why is it said to be non-disruptive? we need next-gen tools to process/analyze large vol, diff. variety and high velocity data.. non-disruptive (e.g. CO-PA – end users dont see disruption, only faster results) also HANA platform has no versions
Don’t see much demand for #HANA certification in independent consulting market yet? it should start picking up…consulting lagging after license sales as with everything else Guess you missed the extensive SAP Twitter conversation on #certification In short there is a lot of demand
can new customers go directly to hana than implementing… can we achieve full BI functionalities

go directly to hana va. what? Bw? BOBJ?

What should we look forward to in the future with ABAP on #SAPHana ? In future releases, it will be possible to call HANA SQLscript procedures directly from ABAP code.
Hearing a lot of mixed messages about the quality & quantity of #SAP HANA certified resources & curious to get thoughts

totally agree with you Jarrett and that is why we created the HANA distinguished engineer program 🙂

Jarrett here’s more info about the HANA distinguished engineer program: bit.ly/MiCt6T
Can I implement Hana just focused on CO-PA, or is it just for all the modules? ERP Accelerators can be focused on functional areas like CO-PA. you can implement HANA just for COPA – in fact we have NEW run-time hana license JUST for COPA you can use just CO-PA..no problems Here is some detail on CO-PA ERP Accelerator wiki.sdn.sap.com/wiki/display/E…
Why so much noise on Big Data? We already had many efficient data mining algorithms real-time on #big data is useful, #big data in itself is for few, e.g. real-time re-pricing

SAP-HANA is DB.App can be written for her.When wud that app start replacing BW?Already/Today/1yr/2yrs/5years/never or upto custmer?

to REPLACE bw for an existing customer? That will depend on how much of BW customer uses.

I hv built 100s of webi rpts w/ millions of rows rendering data was not efficient, how does HANA accommodate presentation layer if the inefficiency of data rendering was due to backend access time, Hana should fix it for u Webi connects to HANA nicely. You would point your universe at HANA vs. exiting DB. Reports should work.
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  1. Tammy Powlas

    Hi Bala

    Thank you so much for putting this together

    Would you please check the 5th column?  It cuts off.  I’ve seen that happen too on my SCN blogs…

    Many thanks

    Tammy

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    1. Bala Prabahar Post author

      Hi Tammy,

      In Safari(MacBook), if you place your cursor on table, I see almost invisible horizontal scroll bar which helps me scroll to the right. Not sure if this works in IE, Firefox, Chrome etc. I’ll see if there is another way to display the table other than reducing column width.

      Best regards,

      Bala

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  2. Hans Loekkegaard

    Hello Bala,

    Thank you for the recap. Was looking forward to see a recap on the #SAPChat. I’ll probably dismiss my own notes now.

    The scroll bar works fine on my IE browser. No problem.

    BR,

    Hans

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    1. Bala Prabahar Post author

      Hi Dorothea,

      I reviewed your blog;nice one. I was glad to see the discussion on #SAPEducation as a part of 5 key take aways. Thank you.

      Best regards,

      Bala

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