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If you ever wrote a blog or article on SDN you may be surprised on how many pages like saptechies.com you can find it. Not only that… the fact is that the article will say that someone else is the author of your article (which will be copied exactly as it was posted on SDN). Obviously people that create them do it to earn from google ads, etc. by why no one is doing anything against it ? On one of the forums we had a discussion about it and it seems that SDN does not own the blogs’ content so they cannot take any legal actions against those thieves. So what can blog owners do:

 

– they can try to write e-mails asking to remove the content but who will listen to single souls – for sure not thieves right ? 

– they can try to write to companies like google (or any other companies that put ads on those pages) and ask them to stop using pages like that as working with thieves you can only become one – but again will google listen to single users ? 

 

It turns out that maybe the only way to move this topic is to write a blog and ask SDN users to do a search for their own blogs on such pages and try writing to companies like google with specifying as much proof as possible and maybe this way we can achieve something ? 

 

My proposal would be: could you please try to check if your blog can be found on any other page and mention it in this blogs comments ? This way we will have tons of proofs for their donators and we can start writing e-mails not as a single person but as a group of people? 

 

Here are a couple of mine:

 

original: 

The specified item was not found.

stolen:  

http://www.saptechies.com/xi-timeouts-timeouts-timeouts

 

original:

The specified item was not found.

stolen:

http://www.saptechies.com/xi-alerts-step-by-step/

 

original:

The specified item was not found.

stolen:

http://www.saptechies.com/alerts-with-variables-from-the-messages-payload-xi–updated/

 

original:

The specified item was not found.

stolen:

http://www.saptechies.com/xi-alerts-troubleshooting-guide/

 

original: 

The specified item was not found.

stolen:

http://www.saptechies.com/mail-adapter-xi–how-to-implement-dynamic-mail-address/

 

original:

The specified item was not found.

stolen:

http://www.saptechies.com/xi-error–unable-to-convert-the-sender-service-to-an-ale-logical-system/

 

original:

The specified item was not found.

stolen:

http://www.saptechies.com/how-to-retrieve-messageid-from-a-bpm/

 

original:

The specified item was not found.

stolen:

http://www.saptechies.com/xi-i-cannot-see-some-of-my-messages-in-the-sxmbmoni/

 

and these are just mine…

REQUEST

Please update the blog in comments section with your stolen blogs and maybe we will try to do something with that.

Thank you! 

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  1. Chris Kernaghan
    I remember Jim Spath suffering from this about a year – 18 months ago.
    After reading your article, I looked around again to see if my Amazon articles had been copied – to my horror I found some of my work had been copied.

    I have alerted the owners of SAPTechies to see what they do, and posted to the comment board on the theft of my work.

    Thanks for the reminder on this despicable practice.

    Chris

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    1. Ajay Das
      I do it already and would suggest it. The link farms are a big pain, even if you are not interested in origin or author of the content.
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    1. Ajay Das
      When I go to the specific link you provided, it shows me a blurb of about one sentence with link to original SDN blog – which opens in SDN.

      I do not understand what is the objection here in this specific case.

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  2. David Greengas
    It may also be helpful for contributors to include copyright details on the bottom of their post to include their intent since the laws are different in each country. By making your intent known as an author when writing, you will have more recourse against violators. Also, if you choose to use licenses that allow some copying like creative commons, the duties of the person or group using your content are more known, especially for those licenses that require attribution.
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  3. Kevin Wilson
    Mike,

    I completely understand and share your thoughts on this. As the founder and admin for ERPGenie and the other “Genie” portals we only try to post original content out there. If there is a complaint from anyone it’s immediately removed.
    One of our most popular pages was the data model / table flow diagram done way back when by your fellow mentor Chris Solomon but we had it listed by someone else as theirs. Chris contacted me and we squared it away between the 3 of us and now Chris has his name attributed to it.

    One separate point to note is that it may actually be illegal (against SAP’s registered trademark) to own a site start with SAP… if that site can not show that it is doing doing different business to SAP (or something to that affect). This site would appear to fall in that category?

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  4. Michael Nicholls
    .. it’s unlikely that anyone foolish enough to access that site would believe that such a site would host anyone who wrote useful articles. If you’re searching for useful SAP content with your favourite engine, are you going to click the link to something in the sap.com domain or some dodgy aggregator?

    It is interesting that their terms of use page says:

    “Copyright, Licenses and Content Submissions.

    The articles, tutorials, projects and other ocntent on this site is copyright of the site and its authors. You may read, down and use the published content for your personal and educational use. The content may not be used for commerical purposes. However, you may not re publish the content without prior written permission from us.

    Use of the Site.

    SAPTechies.com is a free resource online community. Any body can share their code, articles, tips, projects or other related material on the site. Use the site on your own risk. SAPTechies.com does not guarantee or warrant accuracy and reliability of data and information published on the site. The site takes no responsibility of direct or indirect loss or any kind of harm to its users by other users. The site also doesn’t take responsibility of infected files or source code with any kind of infection or viruses, worms, Trojan horses.

    To use the site, you agree you will not:

    Post any information, data, text, or images, or other material that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, vulgar, obscene, libelous, or otherwise objectionable that may invade another’s right of privacy or publicity;

    Post any Material that you do not have a right to reproduce. If you publish other authors work, you must have a written permission of the author of that material.
    Delete any author attributions, legal notices or proprietary designations or labels that you upload to any communication feature;
    Upload any material copyright, trademark, patent, or proprietary rights of any third party.
    Post any material, which can harm our visitors or authors.
    Use our author’s or members emails (published on their request in their profile) to send junk mail, Spam, or chain letters or without their permission,
    Violate any applicable local, state, national or international law,
    Post any information or images on discussion forums that may harm any body by any means or unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, vulgar, obscene, libelous, or otherwise objectionable that may invade another’s right of privacy or publicity.


    I can see multiple ways their reposting of blogs violate their own terrms of use!

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  5. Jeanne Carboni
    Hi Michal and others,

    None of my work has been copied. (I guess it’s not that good 😉 But I would be livid if I found something I produced with someone else’s name tagged to it. 

    Plagiarism and copyright infringement are key topics for us on the SCN team, and we have a meeting planned one week from today with SAP Legal Council to discuss how to handle it.  They are working with us on processes and appropriate actions.  I’ll come back here with an update after the meeting.

    Sincerely,

    Jeanne
    Head of SCN Collaboration Team

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    1. Jon Reed
      Jeanne, thanks for looking into this with SAP Legal…

      I’ve shared my suggestions on this privately with SAP as well, but in my view, a multi-pronged strategy will be the best one.

      One overlooked (in my opinion) part of the strategy is for SAP to develop a relationship with Google where SAP can alert Google to cases of duplicate content violations which in theory should result in these sites being dropped from Google.

      Believe it or not this would solve a good deal of the problem because the vast majority of these copyright infringement sites have a Google-driven advertising revenue model.
      (SAPtechies.com clearly does!). The vast majority of these folks are not doing this for goodwill but for Google traffic, so to me that gets them by the throat and I suspect many of these problems will subside.

      Legal actions can be taken too but due to the time consuming nature of it, and the complexities of enforcing copyright internationally across geographies, I believe that the legal actions are actually less crucial than getting Google to agree to listen hard when SAP points out a site that is stealing SCN/SAP.com content. Legal action can then complement the Google strategy.

      SAP may have other ideas but that’s my view on how to put a stop to most of this. At the least SAP should be reporting these duplicate content violations via their own Google webmaster account.

      – Jon

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  6. Pilsudski J
    Mike, it is all relative.

    Let’s face it: your books for example are nothing more than SAP help expressed in your own words. Is this plagiarism and are you a thief? Probably not, because you put an effort to express it in your own words and wrap it. Guys from other portal simply copied and pasted your stuff but frankly it is all relative.
    So do not pretend to be a victim – you are just little more sophisticated version of “rekha”.

    Josef.

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    1. Chris Kernaghan
      After reading your reply for a 3rd time, simply because I could not believe the ignorance of the statement, I thought I could not let your complete lack of understanding stand without comment.

      Anyone who has had their time and effort reused by anyone for profit without mention or recompense is a victim to some degree. I have produced material based on my experiences for the purpose of sharing knowledge not profit – someone is now getting money from Google Adwords because they have copied my thoughts and experiences – that is not good manners or ethical.

      Crawl back under the lack of understanding from which you came.

      Thanks

      Chris

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    2. Gregory Misiorek
      Josef,

      the arguably most popular politician in Germany had to resign because of this exact issue and SAP stands to pay a substantial amount of penalties, again for a similar reason. indeed, your attitude seems a bit cavalier if not provocative. you may also get into trouble for claiming Mr Pilsudski’s name. SDN does monitor use and Michal is one of the most valuable contributors and presumably shares IP ownership of all of his content on SDN, but not anywhere else.

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    3. Michael Nicholls
      Ignore this person. I supect it’s a fake. His business card says he comes from Christmas Island (probablity .00001) He’s named himself after a Polish figure.
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  7. Michal Krawczyk Post author
    Hi,

    thank you all for you valuable comments
    (even those which don’t see the difference between
    copying and pasting without mentioning the source and
    writing something on the basis of something else)

    Thank you,

    Regards,
    Michal Krawczyk

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    1. Chris Kernaghan
      I contacted SAPTechies, after the 1st 2 e-mails, I directed them to their terms of service – this seemed to have an effect and the offending article has how been removed.

      I have no idea whether the offender has been contacted by SAPTechies – I assume not but at least my article has not been ripped off.

      My advice is to contact the hosts and quote the terms of service to them to remind them of their responsibility.

      In response to an idea I saw from someone a little more hotheaded than I – using poisoned backlinks will hurt your own page as well as the stolen article

      Thanks

      Chris

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  8. I never go to the web sites like http://www.saptechies.com and advise all my colleagues to use site:sap.com addition in Google while doing their research (no offense to “genies”). This pulls the information from SDN, SAP Help, etc. In 99% cases it’s sufficient and greatly reduces the virus risk. If everyone does the same, most of the thiefs will die of natural causes.

    Personally, I only once found my article posted by someone else (not specifying the author explicitly). The article was written for an internal use actually, but I sent it to a couple of colleagues and it went viral from there. I’ve never searched though specifically if anyone has copied my work.

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  9. Jose Nunes
    I know how this kind of digital theft pisses us off and I’m glad to see this kind of blog, because it shows that somebody cares about it and is doing something to fight back.

    Actually, I’ve never reached one of these “copy/paste” sites because I always search the web for SAP content using google with the site:sap.com option in the end of the search criteria.

    Best Regards,
    José Nunes

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  10. Jeanne Carboni
    Hi Michal.  As promised, we investigated the issue you brought up.  Generally, whenever you create content, you own the copyright to it (unless you are creating it as an employee).  As a copyright owner, you have the right to control how others use that content.  For more information regarding copyrights, you may want to look at the Unites States Copyright Office website at http://www.copyright.gov.  

    When you post your content on SAP SDN, you give SAP permission to display it.  When someone else wishes to use, copy, or distribute your content, they generally need to obtain your permission to do so.  If someone uses your content on their website without your permission, they may be infringing your copyright.  You may want to contact that website directly to let them know that they are using your material without permission.  Of course, it is a good idea to speak to your attorney to review these issues with you in more detail, and to learn about your options.

    Best regards,

    Jeanne

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    1. Chris Kernaghan
      Jeanne,

      A sensible yet disappointing answer, the people involved in SDN who post so much of their knowledge and expertise should be afforded some level of protection by the T&C’s.

      Without forums like this which produce such a vibrant ecosystem to help SAP accelerate their product, it is unimaginable that SAP would have captured the imagination of so many bright and innovative people without SDN. These people are doing the most amazing things with SAP products, driving business value and increasing the value of SAP to it’s customers – the least it can do is assist in keeping the Intellectual Property of those helping it safer.

      I am not asking for an SAP Heavy squad on call for every dispute – but the ability/process to have SAP arbitrate or intervene when all other avenues have been exhausted.

      Thanks

      Chris

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  11. Jeanne Carboni
    Hi everyone, 

    I wanted to let you know that I am continuing to investigate this situation.  I’ve gone back to the IP lawyer with concerns that you expressed in your responses.

    Also, I found out that, two years ago.  A website, sap-abap4.com, was stealing our blogs and reposting on their site.  The end result was that we implemented technology that changed the images to “WARNING: THIS CONTENT HAS BEEN STOLEN FROM SAP COMMUNITY NETWORK” if the blogs were being viewed on a website other than SCN.  In the end, the website operator of sap-abap4.com shut down the site.

    For those that are listed here, I wonder if they were copied prior to the solution that was implemented.  Does anyone have that information?

    Stay tuned for more….

    Jeanne

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