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From the  very beginning it was my intention to write three parts/ three blogs about the topic (check Role of the SCN contributions in your CV/resume, part1 Role of the SCN contributions in your CV, part 2) and after the first two, this time it took me a while to gather enough ideas to end the story. I wanted to provide evidence it makes sense to contribute on SCN, it brings (could bring) something extra for you SAP career, I wanted to provide some “success stories”, prove that it has a meaning to talk about the topic and contribute on SCN.

I got some nice comments and personal emails about these articles and promise I will write a fourth part of the story when I find something new or changed from what you can read in these three parts.

P.S.: I would not write any of my blogs without the help of many of you, dear Community members. Many of the ideas come from your comments in the thread called the same name: Role of a SCN/SDN contributions in your CV under Community discussions.  

Side note: It´s not about the points

If we talk about the contributions and the reputation concept of SCN, it does not necessary mean points (or not only points). Even if there are like two million users on SCN, people know people, who they see like everyday answering, helping, contributing or they´re following the people, they find valuable. Even if you would earn two thousand points in a day, you would not get any SCN reputation.

Success story: Blag lives his “American dream”

The most visible story of success on SCN was the one by Blag: In the blog called From Lima to Montreal – A success story passionate member of the Community – Alvaro Tejada Galindo (known as Blag – check Blag´s wiki or his business card) tells the story about how his “constants contributions to SCN” helped him to get hired and to move few thousand miles to Canada – Montreal, what was his dream, he says.  If you need to get motivated, read the story and learn the message: “This is the proof that no matter how long the distances are, our passion for SAP keeps us together…because let’s face it…if it wasn’t for SAP, my chances to get a deal like this would have been closed to null -;)” says Blag.

The pre-employment screening, help in getting a job

Many comments were made about checking the man´s (woman) profile before hiring him (her).

Some people are skeptical about having better chances through SCN reputation, for example Siegfried Szameitat comments: “Contributions are pretty worthless in terms of getting more attention or better conditions by a customer or any recruiter. At least this is the experience I made here in Germany. May be this is different in other countries. Even being a Mentor didn’t get me a job faster or better paid. The only thing I can imagine is that you might have a light advantage at a customer site if there is somebody who knows you from your contributions, but this is then nothing else then the social networking thing.”  I hope it is not that bad everywhere, and if it is, I hope we can spread the word and explain the concept of SCN reputation to more and more people.

The most interesting comment I want to share is by Mark Finnern posted Job opening in Falls Church, VA, where Mark say: “…we are of the opinion that every company should check first the SDN standing of a candidate for an SAP position…”.That would be great, in my opinion (well in an opinion of the guy, who has already posted few thousands of SCN messages). Maybe this is the right time to ask you to comment. I like this idea very much, but there are plenty of reasons why this will not work (or hopefully will, but will take much time to get there). If one can understand the value of the posts of the candidate (and does not simplify the check too much, does not note down the number of points only), then this approach can bring benefits, I hope.

I keep in mind, how many incredible SAP brains don´t have time for SCN (I could name many). But if no SCN involvement means “zero” and some insightful and interesting pieces can provide a bonus, then there will be no problem about it…?

By the way, when you send your CV/resume, you can pretend you have like “experience with everything” or your last job was “the Director of the World”. But as Chris Paine reminds: “…it is easy to fake SAP certification (or other job related information you write in you CV/resume) and almost impossible to validate it. Whereas, it is easy to validate SCN contribution.”

There is one last thing I want to share about the pre-employment screening. In some countries (like Germany, next to my country for example) it will be more difficult (of even illegal???) to use the information about the candidate from the social networks. Read the blog What is the Future of Social Networking by Scott Lawley  or reuters.com: Germany considers ban on using Facebook for hiring. Scott warns: “According to the mentioned legislation, employers would be prevented from using information obtained from SCN to further qualify a candidate.  However, I know that most of the active contributors on SCN contribute content because there is mutual benefit, and should it come time for a member to join another company, they would want to have that information available.  The mere act of contributing to a public forum demonstrates trustworthiness, awareness of resources, and expertise.”

The social networking thing

The user voodi, reminds of the very important point: “The real wealth of SDN is knowing something you haven’t encountered ever.” So we´re back to the social networking: people you meet, people you help, people you have fun with are much more important than the number of points you earn. Points can help prove yourself useful, help you find other dedicated and skilled people (those who gained points – you can understand who they are from their contributions – and people who are dedicated and skilled as well, but are not active on SCN… I am sure everybody has once got an email from somebody, who is at least on the same or even higher level in the field of expertise, is not active on SDN and you found interesting topics to talk about).

People think about the SCN contributions as a kind of investment (so do I). Stephen Johannes , our local CRM legend (read about his work here), says: “My motto is to “pay it forward”, which will to lead contributions that someday help you once again.” I believe we can apply the idea on the career as well. I mean you can contribute for fun and other selfless reasons, but you can get an unexpected opportunity or an offer based on your previous contributors in the future. I am sure Blag didn´t start his SCN contributions to move to Montreal one day. Nor did I. You cannot plan such things.

Together with voodi´s comment the message is clear: Through SCN one can meet new people and find new opportunities. That does not have to do anything with points. So if we talk about the SCN reputation and contributions, it means you don´t have to earn thousands to get lucky one day (well, it is not pure luck then, is it? It is kind of a payoff of all the invested time and effort).

 

I hope you enjoyed the tour and I am awaiting your comments. I also hope your SCN contribution will pay off one day, one way or the other. All the best, Otto

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  1. Bala Prabahar
    Otto,

    The reason why I primarily contribute to SCN is not for getting points nor for getting a nice job(Note: Primarily). Here are the reasons why I contribute:

    Primary:
       1) Discussions and as a result learn from people with different ideas/thoughts
       2) Share knowledge
       3) Share a different set of ideas than the one suggested/implied and see why I’m wrong or correct.

    Secondary:
       1) SCN contribution would,in my opinion, indirectly help getting a job/contract.
       2) Points
       3) Helps(definitly) in networking. This might in turn help get a nice job. SCN contribution gives an idea about an individual; this would help starting conversations when SCN contributors meet. Because of my contribution, I know I can easily start talking(I’m an introvert) to a few great people(including you Otto) who I have’nt met yet.
    Bottom Line: I love contributing to SCN even though I’ve not seen any direct benefit.

    Thanks,
    Bala

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    1. Otto Gold Post author
      Hello Bala,
      first: thank you for the comment, I am sure many people (including me) feel about SCN the same.
      I don´t come here for points, job or anything like that. I have found many nice people around, new friends, and have learnt a lot.
      I write it in the blog, but maybe it is not clear enough. Blag didn´t start contributing to get a job or anything back, I am sure about him. And I feel the same way, I don´t do this for money, fame or anything like that.
      I do this for fun and to learn new thinks etc. But after you spend so many hours, so much effort etc. one day you may ask if you can get a 1% of the effort back. Or something bad happens in your life and you could really use some “luck” that you get a job based on your contributions. Or you care about points or fame and wonder if that can help (if there would not be any people like this, why would we have the point gamers on SCN, right?).
      So the blog is not about the motivation of the individuals to contribute here. The text is about ways how to get something back – if it is possible etc. And you agree with my message, it seems…? If you would not question the motivation (your primary), you would agree it can help a career of one (your secondary).
      By the way, it would be a pleasure to meet you (it seems I am no introvert any more:)))…
      Even if you don´t see any direct benefits (now), I wonder: would it please you if you would get appreciated (even through getting a better job) for your SCN contributions one day?
      Hope to see you arund again, SCN is the right place where to make new friends:))
      Regards Otto
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  2. Abdulbasit Gulsen
    I have a different story. Many of the projects that I list on my cv have hidden signs from SDN. I used the community a lot during my growing up period. That’s the way how SDN helped me.
    Now, I’m trying to contribute as much as I can. I believe that’s the best way of paying back.

    Abdul.

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    1. Otto Gold Post author
      Hello! I like your approach!
      Some people come to read the answer and never help a living soul. But you have the conscience and the nice, proactive approach and pay everything back. Hope to see more people responsible like you!
      Keep going, hope to see you around!
      Cheers Otto
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  3. Jiaul Haque
    I feel SCN contributions to me as to develope myself as quick solution provider at the time of business requirement from fellow memebers who is seating another corner  of the globe .Once he/she able solve day to day business issue in SAP with this clues , will be the best reward to anybody .
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  4. Pushkar Patil
    Hello Otto,

    First of all Congratulations on winning Football World-Cup(My favorite Sport).

    Regarding SCN contribution in our CV I am tottaly agree with the views and experiece mentioned on your blogs and the threads in cofee corner it is really issencial and helps.

    Some off track question was in mind for last few days: Suppose a good contributor/ Moderators guides some OP specailly the one who don’t respect SCN rules by telling them or by reporting them, might be that OP ends up as guest.

    Now this Good contributor/Moderator goes for an interview and surpisingly the “Guest” is in front of him in interview panel. Yes still all SCN contribution is available on CV what would be the next scene?
    Sorry for being some off the Track feeling but we can think of it.

    Regarding the SCN contribution in my CV still I am waiting to get it recognised but in my organisation we publish name of top five SCN leader every three months through a news letter and definatly it helps to get youself recognised in your peers.

    Waiting for latest newsletter for now.

    Thanks for sharing such a nice series of blogs.

    -Pushkar

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    1. Otto Gold Post author
      Hello Pushkar, glad to “see” you again:))
      I understand the story, in fact, I have heard a similar one. It had nothing to do with SCN or any social things, it was a problem when a guy (big banana, high management level) was fired by his boss and then returned to the company (after like a year) as a boss of his previous boss. Guess what happened.
      So this problem is nothing new and can be seen everyday. It is possible these things happen and I cannot see any way how to avoid it. Unfortunatelly. You cannot fight it. You can only follow your way, do not behave like this… (use personal example) and if you´re the guy who “was responsible for the guestification”, just look for another job…
      I hope we will not be able to meet a man, who experienced this in real life.
      By the way, I think, it is not easy to learn who was the guy, who shoot you down. I mean: you´re guestified by the moderator and because of your behavior, how would you want to identify the guy who “reported you” or something?
      I hope we will not experience any negative behavior like this. And if my hope will fail one day, I will interview the guys and share the story with the Community so all will be warned… but still hope not to this!
      I am glad you like my blogs, you´re welcome to suggest some more topics:))
      Best regards, Otto
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  5. Matthew Billingham
    Over the years, I’ve had a few articles published in various places on the net. I once went for an interview. One of my interviewers told me that he’d been struck by something I’d written, and so he’d printed it off, and stuck it on the wall of his office.

    I wasn’t terribly surprised when I was offered the job.

    Most of my contribution to SCN is hidden – the moderation work I do. But I have produced a few blogs, wiki pages and articles. I contribute because I find the site a useful tool in my day to day job. I do include my moderationshiphood (!) on my CV, as I think with many potential clients it does add a little weight to my application. It certainly gives us something to talk about!

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    1. Otto Gold Post author
      Hello,
      Great to have one more “success story”, thank you Matthew! Hope the future will be even more bright for us, the proud SCN members:))
      Well, not everybody is a moderator like you, but I hope will not make any big difference to include “moderationshiphood” or just “activity”…
      I wonder if there are any details you could share about how the people reacted, what were you talking about, were there any questions? Did it help to establish more informal contact? I mean not everybody has a real experience here and anything you cold share about the topic would be much better than the academical discussion:))
      By the way, I appreciate the dirty work of the moderators. I want to assure you, we do not forget about how you help the Community going.
      Have a nice day a and “read you soon”,
      cheers Otto
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      1. Matthew Billingham
        Well, in the case I mentioned, it wasn’t SCN – but the principle holds, I think.

        The article in question was about updating standard SAP tables directly, and I wrote something like : “Updating standard tables directly, is a really good way of getting your database corrupted and having to pay SAP lots of money to put it right”. The interviewer is a very experienced and skillful developer in charge of the quality of developments at a multinational. (Yes, Peter, it’s you I’m talking about..).  I mean actual quality here, rather than formal quality – for those who work in qualified or CSV environments…

        Anyway, as I’d already made a favourable impression, it made the process much more relaxing. In a sense, I was a known quantity. I never got round to asking him though whether it was that “connection” that had got me the interview in the first place.

        I do know, for when I’ve been a hiring manager, that any connection – even at one or two steps removed, knowing someone who knows the candidate – can have an effect. Positive or negative, depends on the connection. A positive connection means that, potentially, you’ve already got a point of contact – something in common. And that always eases human interaction – the stranger isn’t quite so alien!

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