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This week we had different blogs written not in english. Should we move to a multi-language-platform?

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Of course to write a blog in your native language is much easier than to translate it into english. And perhaps you don’t care if not everybody can understand this blog. And at the end you get the same points for this blog. Perhaps you think that this blog is only interesting only for people that are speaking your language.

Call me an grumpy old man (many greetings to Eddy) but I think we should not move to a multi-language-plattform. I feel something like exclusion if i see a blog in a language that is written not in english.

For me it would be much easier to write in german and I am sure that there are lots of people here that understand german. But I think that this is not fair against all non-german-speaking members.

What do you think?

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  1. Eduardo Dalessandro
    Despite I’m not a fan of the english language, I think that people working in this globalized area should agree on a common language and maybe the most appropiate would be English.
    If each person write in their native language, the others should learn their languages to grasp the shared knowledge.
    I cannot understant what the problem is to write in english as it is supposed that we are high skill professionals and should be able to communicate in it.
    Maybe SDN could open sub-communities for these elites?

    Regards,
    Daniel

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  2. Ignacio Hernández
    Hi Renald

    I see it from other perspective. If people wants to write non-english blogs about common SDN interests, Why should we put that outside SDN ? With your argument you feel exclusion and because that you remain with other exclusion. I think that we should talk about more INCLUSION. Please write in German I would learn more about it.
    Regards,

    Ignacio.

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    1. Luis Felipe Lanz
      Hola Ignacio,

      From my point of view, Inclusion or Exclusion are two faces of same coin..

      If you wrotte in Spanish, Spanish speakers will feel included, but the rest of people will feel excluded, if you do in Hebrew or Russian happen the same…

      But if you do in English as a common language you’re not excluding someone who only speak spanish, you’re offering your opinion and sharing your experience within all the people around the community.

      But if is a matter to feel confortable, maybe to writte in Spanish and in the bottom do an English version, this will make spanish speakers people happy as well as will make the content of your article available for somebody in Jerusalem / Sydney / London / Miami / Toronto / Dalian / Sao Paulo / Madrid / Etc.

      Or is that those people do not deserve to read that content ? What do you think ?

      Best Regards / Saludos,
      Luis

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      1. Ignacio Hernández
        we have this disusion like a cycle in SDN, actual community guidelines recommend posting in English [https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/blogs-communityguidelines] “In general, we reserve the right to remove anything … not written in English” (Thanks Jim for the quote) but it is not prohibited posting in other languages and if you think, that rule applies also for english postings. So, nobody stops to you to write in other language, and please take note about the languages selection up right here…
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        1. Renald Wittwer Post author
          Hi Ignacio,
          what is the sense of a global community, were everybody talks in his local language? If you have language dependent forums, no problem. But if general information like blogs are in different languages, the language with the most members will win.
          Lets learn chinese!
          Regards
          Renald
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  3. Darius Heydarian
    Localization has just been started in the SDN especially in the SAP Business One area.

    This was based on the demand of many of our partners who would like to contribute to the SAP Business One community in their local language.

    And the demand of sharing knowledge and getting support through an online community is growing.

    We have now launched the forum in two additional languages and want to the community to decide. If the forums are accepted and well running, there is a need. If not, we have to think about different ways to include non-English speaking community members.

    At the moment we are checking if we can bring some translation functionality to SDN to gain profit from blogs written

    What do  other community members think? We are happy for an open discussion.

    Best regards,
    Darius

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  4. Luis Felipe Lanz
    Hi..

    I’m wondering about why start using several languages in SDN, we are a GLOBAL community.

    Beside the previous comments i think that we must use the English as a master language, the reason is easy to understand, the same content of a blog is valid for someone in Argentina than for someone in Australia.

    As a courtesy with the others members of SCN (now more than a million) we can writte our content in Spanish/French/German/Hebrew/Japanese (I’m only mention the language used in few places with SAP Labs) and an English version in the same blog.

    Cause i’m wondering if someone in Spain will understand the blog in Japanese, so they will miss in Spain the chance to apply a great solution which is only available for Japanese speakers/readers people… and vice-versa

    So, please think to keep this community in the highest level possible, with the sharing of knowledge and information available for everybody.

    Best Regards,
    Luis

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    1. Darius Heydarian
      Hi Luis,

      There are several countries like Brazil where a lot of local Partners are not able to speak or even understand english, the whole english communication will pass by them.

      I agree that there must be a translation into english, either from the community or through translation software, like:
      [this.|http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fweblogs.sdn.sap.com%2Fpub%2Fwlg%2F9263&langpair=es%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8]
      But this should be done in addition to the Blog in local language and should not replace it. The bestway would be, that Blog authors declare the language of their blog in the blog authoring system. And the Blog software will offer a drop-down translation to other languages.

      Best regards,
      Darius

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  5. Michael Schwandt
    We / SAP Community Network have decided to support local languages in forums, which resulted in Business One forums for Latin America. We recognize that supporting local languages will enable our partners and customers to do business with greater ease. The closer you are to smaller businesses and micro vertical industries, having a presence in local / native languages becomes more and more critical. Finally, beyond these business reasons it is our way of appreciating and paying tribute to these many different countries, regions and cultures. We recognize that some of the players from these countrues are currently starting off their business and are quite new in this global world. The downside might be, that the knowledge gets split into many languages, but I’m pretty sure, that you – the community will help us overcome this and ensure some kind of proper translation. Just take this as your investment / donation to these new upcoming businesses.
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    1. Renald Wittwer Post author
      Michael, on one side I like the idea of local language forums, that everybody allows to participate. On the other side we will have the same discussions in differnt forums in different languages.
      Community is about sharing information, different languages will complicate this.
      We have different forums for different languages but we have only one blog area. As long as there is one blog area, I would prefer to read english blogs only. If you would like to support different languages in blogs, we need something like filters or different blog areas.
      Regards
      Renald
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  6. Sandra Rossi
    We can say that it is a very good idea to share our experience with everybody around the world.

    But it’s obvious that some people would like to build “private” communities.

    And this is exactly the same thing in the true world : private city with security guards, chinese (or French) district within a US city, people speaking uncomprehensive languages in public transports, sects, etc.

    Can we really decide for these people? (okay, for sects, I think our society cannot let them do everything they want… huh, a little bit off topic, sorry)

    I am French but I write in English, because I want to share with everybody.

    But if some French people really want to speak French because they are not fluent, I couldn’t understand that we forbide them to do it. Instead I would prefer to discuss, to help them understand the interest to join the global community… but not too much!

    Of course, these communities must not be free, at the expense of other communities.

    Don’t be afraid, accept people who don’t speak your language…

    Note: this non-technical discussion is far beyond my English knowledge (thank you google translation), I hope you could understand what I mean.

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  7. Michael Nicholls
    I’m a native English speaker. If I find a blog in a language other than English, I look at the blog meta data (topic area etc) and then decide whether it has any interest to me. If it does, then I’ll scan the text looking for key words using my inbuilt tool EyeBalls 1.0. As long as it’s a European language, I can generally see interesting words, as most topics in the IT area tend to have English-based words.

    If I see something that looks like “portal”, for example, then I’ll grab the text and use one of the free translators on the Web.

    This alone provides a few minutes of entertainment! When someone said that to really foul things up, it takes a computer, they could have been referring to most machine based text translation.

    Anyway, where am I going with all this? Personally I don’t care what language blogs are written it. My preference is to read English, but I’m prepared to do some work if the topic is interesting to me.

    To help me, may I suggest that as a minimum it would be considered helpful to have the blog summary in the original language and in English? That helps in the meta data analysis of the blog.

    Thanks

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  8. Mark Finnern
    I view it from the delivery mechanism perspective.

    A new forum in a corner of SDN in another language, I have to go there and subscribe/watch the forum to get it. All others are not interrupted. We even went through the hassle that search results are not influenced. Total pull mechanism/model. O.K. Everyone is happy. 

    Our blog is different. For about 5 years now an ever growing stream of blog posts are flowing through SCN, picked up by countless RSS readers.

    To put non-English language posts into that stream is for the majority of people at minimum a nuisance. The Push model is may be not broken, but definitely not as nice anymore.

    Unfortunately with our current setup we are not able to separate or even filter different language blogs.

    This is why I am leaning towards only English language blogs until we can technically better support it, even though I myself am a native German speaker.

    Wiki on the other hand, let’s create language spaces. There again I can easily select which updates I am interested in and focus on them.

    The discussion in the team is ongoing. Happy to hear more voices, Mark.

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    1. Ignacio Hernández
      Hi Mark
      That is easy to solve. You can get out non-english blogs from rss if I can mark them like non-english blogs. You even could offer a new rss adress to multi-languages blogs.
      Regards,
      Ignacio.
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  9. Ignacio Hernández
    Hi Renald
    please I need clarification about your opinion. Are you asking for a filter to non-english blogs ( we could work in a technical solution ) or you are asking for another place (non SDN) to put them ( we also could work in that ).
    Regards,
    Ignacio.
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  10. Vijay Vijayasankar
    If we start supporting non-english languages, will it be fair game for folks from each state in India (each probably the size of a european country) to start blogging in their local languages?

    The closest solution I can think of is to blog elsewhere, and then provide an english title and a link to the original blog on SCN.

    I am not sure if it is an intentional policy – but I have seen most of the code from SAP now a days use English for comments, as opposed to German.

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