Additional Blogs by Members
cancel
Showing results for 
Search instead for 
Did you mean: 
eddy_declercq
Active Contributor
0 Kudos

It’s clear that the forum system, in its  current form, is like a terminal patient for whom euthanasia in order to put it  out of its misery is a valid consideration. Of course the situation is not  quite as extreme as all that, I’m only putting it this way in order to stress  how unbearable the current situation is and how unworkable things currently are.  So what are these symptoms?

         
               
  • People are posting questions  without thinking. It’s not that certain questions aren’t allowed in the forums,  but it’s the manner in which things are formulated. How does one expect to get  a proper answer when one puts ‘Hi’ as the subject and then formulates a  question that doesn’t actually look like a question and then fail to provide  any information on the problem that one has? I wonder what these people produce  at work and/or how they can fool their bosses and/or customers, but if their output  at work is of the same quality as they way in which they write things down...
  •            
  • People don’t bother to search  before they post questions. Does everyone really think that they are unique and  that they have that genius question that has never been asked before? If that  was really the case they wouldn’t get an answer anyway, because nobody will  have been thinking about it or have encountered that specific situation anyway  (but more on that in the next item). I’ve said it before but I’ll say it again,  posting new questions should be limited in such a way that one is obliged to  carry out a search first before being able to actually post a new question.  This could be done in different ways. One could opt for the way the OSS message  system in the service marketplace works. Or one could have a system where you  post a question and then the next step is that the system itself looks for an  answer, and only when the proposed answer doesn’t satisfy your needs is it  posted. I’ve seen the latter in multiple (payable) support systems and they  work very well. You would be surprised how many questions can be solved without  human intervention. That implies a good Knowledge Management System, or search  functionality and, let’s face it, SDN sometimes makes a mess of this. It’s not  that the search tools aren’t sufficient – many people, among them my alter ego,  have been publishing enough tools for that – but the results aren’t always  satisfying. It seems that the indexing of the clutter doesn’t always give the  desired results.
  •            
  • People think that the forums  are a free support system and post questions that should be solved by the service  marketplace or a consultant. On top of that one demands that things get solved  quickly and put ‘Urgent’ in the subject. Forums remain on a voluntary base and as  such there are no guarantees on a time frame, an answer or even the correctness  of an answer.
  •            
  • People expect that the forums  will do their work. I’ve seen a lot of threads where people ask for someone to  write their code or to solve the certification questions in their place. If it  were possible, some would even like others to sit the exams in their place.  What’s the use of that? Would you ask someone else to solve the theory  questions for your driver’s license? Would it make you a good driver if someone  else passed all the exams in your place in order for you to get the license?  That would be very dangerous for both you and all the other drivers on the  road. Well, that’s the same for the SAP certification. Would you be able to look  your boss and/or customer straight in the eyes if you’d cheated during the  certification?
  •            
  • People think that the forums  are a kind of torrent site where one can share all kinds of material regardless  of any legal issues. The forums are considered to be a kind of private message  system and people ask for material to be posted directly to them at their  e-mail address. It’s not only against the ‘spirit’ of sharing knowledge, but  also dangerous. See other Grumpies for details.
  •            
  • People are posting answers  without checking that their answer to the question is correct, as if they don’t  want to admit that they don’t know the answer. Why post things anyway?
  •            
  • People are posting answers by  copy/pasting various bits of text written by various other people and leaving  it up to the poster to pick out the correct answer.
  •            
  • People are posting answers by  copy/pasting answers from other sources instead of just referring to it and  pretending that they have worked out the answer.
  •            
  • People are posting questions  and answers just for the points. Yes, we come to the knotty problem of the  point hunters.
  •          
         

As you can see, there is nothing to be  proud of. In fact, one seems to  find the SDN forums rather ludicrous and far from professional. I guess one is  hitting the nail on the head.

            What can one do about it? Some suggest scrapping the point system as with the  above mentioned system by the competitors. I can agree with that as long as it only  applies to the forums. All the other contributions should be rewarded and that  includes a more practicable version for the Wiki. After all, one can spend a  lot of time creating original content. And this is in direct contrast to the  forums. I don’t see much originality happening in the forums. Everything has already  been said and done endlessly. So why bother?

            I would even suggest making the current  forum system a read only system for archive purposes and concentrate on the  other content. I’m sure that a lot of questions would be solved if one looked  at that content and things can be reduced to RTFMs. The contention of finding  answers to your question within X minutes/hours can still be true when one  cares to search for things and not expect ready-to-eat (or in this case already  eaten) chunks dished up.

            If one doesn’t want to go that far, I would  suggest a solution Dries Horions came up with.
          The problem with extending this is having a  server with enough bandwidth and the community doesn't need to pay for the  problems caused by others. He made an RSS  reader for the forums. It allows him to mark certain threads on 4 criteria:

         
               
  1. The poster is  a  points hunter
  2.            
  3. The poster can't search
  4.            
  5. The post  concerns interview question
  6.            
  7. The post  concerns illegal request for copyrighted material
  8.          
         

The tool keeps statistics for  each user for each of the criteria. The RSS feeds are filtered according to this  threshold for each of the criteria. If a user has 70% posts for a criteria, all  threads from this poster get filtered from the RSS feed. When he keeps posting  and his/hers percentage drops below the threshold, posts start reappearing, but  recidivists get filtered out again.
            I’ve seen Dries' application and it's  wonderful! A step further would be that the community could add filters. It’s a  bit like the Cloudmark tool, a spam filter where the filters are kept centrally  and where the customers can mark messages as spam. When it reaches a certain  threshold, it is considered to be spam and will be automatically deleted for  all users. The problem with extending this  tool as such is finding a server with enough bandwidth and not forcing the initiator  to pay for the problems caused by others.

18 Comments